Talk:Mingrelian language
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[edit] Charkviani
According to Simon Sebag Montefiroe, Candide Charkviani was a Mengrelian "Beria was a Mingrelian, so was Charkviani who had run it since", Pg. 632 of Stalin: Court of the Red Tsar. Someone has informed me he was a Svan but I would appreciate a reference please.
[edit] Number of speakers and other disputed facts
To 213.157.193.*: apparently the facts (esp. numbers of speakers) which you have repeatedly placed on this page are in disagreement with the sources originally found by the authors of this article. Please either state here your sources and/or your rationale for continually placing these facts here or cease continued altering of this page. -- Grunt 01:38, 2004 Jun 14 (UTC)
[edit] Relationship to Georgian language
To those readers who insist on deleting the information about the relationship between the Laz and Georgian languages: the date of separation between the Laz/Megrelian language subfamily and the Georgian language is given by several linguists, including Georgian ones. Ditto for the fact that Laz, Georgian, and Megrelian are mutually unintelligible — which is also attested by Megrelian native speakers. Jorge Stolfi 12:21, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- Dear stoffi. Georgian scientist are often subiective. Megrelian and especially Svan are much more older than Georgian. Iriatoni
Please explain what you mean by this statement. Georgian, Laz, Svan and Megrelian refer to the modern languages. All languages change gradually with time, so it is meaningless to say that a language is older than another. Moreover, there are no records of Svan or Megrelian older than 200--300 years, are there? We can only say (based on differences) when the lineages that resulted in the modern languages split apart. All my sources give the same tree: A-->(B,C); C-->(D,E); E-->(F,G); B-->Svan; D-->Georgian; F-->Laz; G-->Megrelian. Do you dispute this? Jorge Stolfi 19:55, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
100.000 is the population of only one zugdidi District.
[edit] Separation of Laz and Megrelian
To User:Iriatoni: I do not understand what you mean with the phrase "separated by Georgian and Turkic tribes". Do you mean "separated by invasions of Georgian and Turkic tribes", or "separated into northern (Georgian) and southern (Turkish) communities"? Please clarify. (And please refrain from gratuituosly insulting people who spent many hours putting together this article.) Jorge Stolfi 12:21, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- yes, I think the give data is wrong. Laz and Megrelian were separated much earlier and that happened around the middle of first millenium AD, rather than 500 years ago and naturally they were not separated by Turkic tribes, but rather by Kartic (Georgian) migrations from the south, when the South Georgians settled the area between modern day Megrelia and Lazistan. The descendants of those south Georgians are the Gurians and Ajarians, while the Laz and Megrelians got separated... —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
