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[edit] von Däniken

Can someone substantiate the von Däniken reference with a reference to the book(s) this comes from? Nothing comes up on the Internet for this. Badagnani 22:12, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Whoever put that in must be thinking of the Toraja of Tanah Toraja (Torajaland), Central Sulawesi. Their houses not only look something like upturned canoes, they are so referred to by the Torajans themselves, in spite of the fact that they are a mountain people, far from the sea, which I guess puzzled Van D. enough to suggest they were aliens. Minahasan houses ("rumah panggung", or "platform houses") look something like a bungalow on stilts, and not at all like a boat.Rikyu 23:11, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I've removed the von Däniken section from the opening paragraph until someone can substantiate it - here it is should anyone want to put it back - 'Erich von Däniken refers to the Minahasa in his works, claiming that as a people they believe they came from outer space (hence their traditional houses, which are vessel-shaped).' --Bwmodular 09:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
That guy is a total mess. Obviously he's talking about Tongkonan, the house of Torajan People in South SulawesiMatahari Pagi 03:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
      • I would suggest that the traditional communal houses of Minahasa have transformed in structure (architecturally and socially) over the last two centuries. Drawings made by the Rev. Schwarz from the mid-19th century suggests that Minahasan houses resembled central Bornean longhouses - often decorated with elaborate carvings (including houses resting on deity-shaped stilts). The aforementioned 'bungalow on stilts' described by Rikyu might be a more recent development that occurred after Christian proselytizations. 'Northern' origins, akin to Torajan mythologies are quite common among the Austronesian speaking peoples in Sulawesi, so I would suggest if someone could include pre-Christian periods in the Minahasa sections.

--borneoaddict 18:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TwaaPro

I edited the first paragraph. The previous sentence, implying that all Minahasan inhabitants supported the TwaaPro (Twaalfde Provincie) Movement to join the Netherlands as the twelfth province is unfounded. According to Henley (1996), the TwaaPro was short-lived and did not transform into a widespread popular movement.

See NATIONALISM AND REGIONALISM IN A COLONIAL CONTEXT: Minahasa in the Dutch East Indies. By David E. F Henley. Leiden (The Netherlands): KITLV Press, 1996. vii, 186 pp. (Maps, tables.) US$33.50, paper ISBN 90-6718-080-7.

--borneoaddict 17:50, 10 August 2007 (UTC)