User talk:Miloluvr

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Welcome!

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[edit] Medal World Championship template

FYI. I saw the adjustment you did on the Template:MedalWorldChampionships earlier today. I like the edit you did to the template, but we would like to keep this template as sport-neutral as possible (athletics, swimming, luge, sailing, bobsleigh, nordic skiing, etc). If you want to put that in as a separate sport, they do have a template for that. I just don't remember which one it is, but you can use that one. Remember, please keep the MWC template sport neutral. Thank you. Chris (talk) 14:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. Remember to sign your articles with four tildes (~). It will automatically sign your articles. Chris (talk) 15:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hello and thank you for your kind words. I am from Central Europe so it is no problem for me to add diacritics to article names. I've never been in Mississippi but I believe it is worth visiting. How come you moved to Canada? - Darwinek (talk) 16:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

Hi Miloluvr, I left you a note on the Svetlana Khorkina talk but I also wanted to stop by here. Welcome to Wikipedia, and please, always feel free to bring your observations or opinions on articles--and how they can be improved--to the table. There's a lot to do with the gymnastics articles here, and editors who are interested (and knowledgeable) about the sport are always very welcome, IMHO. Welcome again, and if there's anything I can do to help or you have questions about Wiki, please feel free to send me a note on my Talk Page. Best, DanielEng (talk) 23:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi again! Thank you for your note at my page. You've been doing a lot of good foundation work here, and it's appreciated that some of the lesser-known gymnasts are getting pages thanks to you. I'll be trying to go through and offer some suggestions for editing, if you want. At the moment the only quick note I have is on the "World Champion" category--we reserve that only for gymnasts who have won an individual gold medal at Worlds; not those who have been a part of a World Champion team. Also, your new medal table is awesome, but we generally keep the tables to the three largest competitions: Worlds, Olympics and depending on continent, Pan Ams (N. or S. America), Europeans (""), Asian Games (""), All-Africa Games ("") or Commonwealths (AUS/NZ). World Cup results are usually added on the graph on the bottom of the page. Keep up the good work! Best, DanielEng (talk) 06:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi again Miloluvur! Thanks for your message.
I personally like keeping the medals in color order (gold first, et al). I totally agree with you that when they are in year order, it's easier to see progression. I think though, that for the average reader, it's a lot easier to use the article as a reference when the medals are in color order, because they can easily and immediately see, for instance, how many gold medals a gymnast won at the Olympics, etc. etc. etc. And it looks neater. :) The question has been going back and forth for some time, in various sports on Wiki...the sort of unofficial consensus is that if someone's left a medal table in color order, it's left alone; if it's in year order, it's also left alone.
The thing about the World Cup is exactly what you say--it hasn't been a consistent competition over the years, so it's hard to gauge the significance of the medals (again for the average reader, not the gymnastics reader). One of the things about the medal tables is that they're mostly there for average readers and try to include competitions that they know and can compare. The World Cup is a very limited competition--while it does attract major talent, it isn't quite as inclusive as, say, the Pan Ams or All-Africa. Even if a gymnast wins a medal there, she or he isn't competing against the same full field that would be at a continental or major regional championships. It's also because it's an effort to keep the medal tables neat and somewhat concise--for some of these gymnasts who won major titles, if we added World Cup and other competitions, the tables would end up going down the page and probably be longer than the article. :) That's also why Goodwill Games, Friendship Games, etc are not typically in the medal tables--these competitions while important only occurred a few times and were limited in scope.
That's my two cents there...it's an interesting discussion and I'm glad to continue it. No worries at all about the cats, either--I frequently copy/paste as well, and end up with categories/etc. that aren't quite right (when I worked on the Friendship Games article, Bilozerchev was from ROU for a while because I'd overlooked the country tag...!). And I totally agree with you that MAG is woefully underrepresented here. I am still trying to get my head around the fact that Ivan Ivankov of all people didn't have a page. Thank you for all of your efforts here and support, and keep up the great work! Best, DanielEng (talk) 21:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad I could help with the Alternate Games article! If you need help or want me to look over any particular article for you for style/content/whatever, please feel free to give me a yell anytime. Best, DanielEng (talk) 08:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Well done. :) The ladies do have a similar tag at the bottom of their pages, and it's time MAG had one too. The only thing I would say about Yuri's article--and it's great--is that the bottom section is likely to be considered completely POV and OR and isn't going to stand up. Comparing the gymnasts and their merits is considered OR, and as much as I love World Gymn Rank and think the author of it is a genius, it's not considered a reliable source. Also, even though Ivankov hasn't won a medal, he has gone to the Olympics, so he can't be considered a non-Olympian. Here's what I'd suggest, although I'll leave it to you to make the change: delete the section and add to the lead:
With a total of 34 individual medals at World Championships, World Cups, and European Championships competitions, Korolev is considered to be the most decorated male gymnast never to win an Olympic medal. After Vitaly Scherbo and Nikolai Andrianov, he has won more major-all around titles, 8 in total, than any other male gymnast. Additionally, Korolev’s 21 individual World Championship and World Cup medals is the 2nd highest all-time tally among all male or female gymnasts, surpassed only by Scherbo’s 26.
Best, DanielEng (talk) 23:49, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm happy with the way the Milo page turned out too. For the 9.95...ooops...I thought I left that in! I'll have to go back and figure out where it belongs now. It definitely should be there, especially since we're probably never going to see a score like that again anywhere outside of NCAA. :( Thanks for catching that! Best,DanielEng (talk) 20:51, 29 February 2008 (UTC)