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[edit] Archived discussions

/Archive 1 up to November 2006. Contains 1 Good omens 2 Concrete Cows 3 Quote from a resident 4 Link deletion by User talk:195.92.168.172 5 Population planning/projection 6 Factual inaccuracy (Not a city) 7 Town/borough confusion 8 Pronunciation 9 Cycling 10 Milton Keyes as Shown on a Map 11 Dodgy Citation In Origins section 12 Districts 12.1 National Bowl 13 Pictures deleted 14 Hi-res images of concrete cows 15 Popular Culture 16 Request for mention from Ask MK TV 17 city or not 18 Quick question 19 Poor quality of article 19.1 "New city" 19.2 Access and news media 19.3 The intro again 19.4 City status again 20 Review 21 history

[edit] Superman

Not sure where this might fit in - if at all, but when I was living in MK in the early 1980's, they shot several scenes for Superman IV at the railway station and various other places around the town. Mighty Antar 01:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

It is already in Milton Keynes in popular culture. --Concrete Cowboy 13:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review request: History of Milton Keynes

I would welcome peer review of History of Milton Keynes (directly or at Wikipedia:Peer review/History of Milton Keynes/archive1, please - ideally to make FA on the UK or History portal on 23 January 2007, 40 years after designation. --Concrete Cowboy 17:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ferris wheel in CMK

User:Brookie added a pic of the ferris wheel in Central Milton Keynes. The wheel is not a permanent fixture, unlike the London Eye in London - it is only here for one winter season. I don't think it is a valid addition to the page. (Also, I don't see what it has to do with the grid squares apart from you can see them from the top of it). Is there a good reason to keep it? --Concrete Cowboy 17:44, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Its location on the page was away from other pictures but not directly relevent to that sub section. It may only be temporary but still worth listing - it is very impressive - even if the phot isn't! Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! (Whisper...) 17:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Best pic for info box

Any opinions on the most representative pic for the info box? --Concrete Cowboy 18:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

How about from the far side of Willen Lake looking towards the city town centre at dusk or dawn? Mk3severo 15:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Just before the lights go off or come on, I assume? Try a few pics and see how they work out. Another idea I had was to take pics at the same time from the Brickhills. I don't know if it is high enough, though, to emulate that view of LA that appears regularly in movies. Another option is to get a GPS track of the gridroads. --Concrete Cowboy 17:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Maybe from the top of the Bow Brickhill transmitter if anyone has access there (significantly above the trees at one of the higher points), otherwise you can get a decent shot from Little Brickhill. I don't know if either would get quite what you want mind. Another one would be from Campbell Park looking towards the Theatre/Xscape, with a nice bit of grass in front to show the green space mixed with modernity. I'll see what I can get (given my limited photographic skills) in the next few weeks. Mk3severo 17:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
You might get your gonads microwaved :). What we need is a chopper (or a balloon). Got any rich friends? Thinking about it a bit more, it would be good to do some recces now but we also want it to show the "city in the trees", so we need to wait unil the trees are in good leaf - maybe May? If the lights are on, that will show the grid. --Concrete Cowboy 21:34, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Whilst we're talking about photos, any obvious shots missing from Milton Keynes articles? Mk3severo 17:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Can't think of any, but have a look at the portfolio in Wiki Commons. --Concrete Cowboy 21:34, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Good Article

In terms of content, I think this article is comprehensive. Therefore, I'm intending to do as much work as possible in improving the referencing of the article and the article in terms of the Manual of Style with the intention to nominate it as a Good Article. I would really appreciate if anyone can do anything - no matter how small - in checking through the article and improving its quality! Regards, SeveroTC 17:28, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Milton Keynes...as in Milton Friedman and John Maynard Keynes? Bith are economists but both are loggerheads.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.82.8.121 (talk) 15:45, May 26, 2007

No - as said in a variety of places, the name dates back for hundreds of years. See Middleton, Milton Keynes. --Concrete Cowboy 12:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Art in Milton Keynes

I don't think this stub: Art in Milton Keynes really emphasises anything on it's own, but I really think it could add something to this page. I realise the Concrete Cows have their own page, but they are very well know. I propose merging it with this article. Any thoughts? LookingYourBest 12:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

A new user created it as part of a discussion about the activities of MKDC. I didn't really think it has much merit - it can only ever be opinion and promotion, especially if it is merged into this article. I'd vote to delete it. --Concrete Cowboy 12:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about putting that discussion bit in the main article - I'd C&Pd it from the other article! LookingYourBest 12:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Since there has been no further discussion, and the Art in MK is really about Art in MK during the MKDC years, I'm removing the tag here and changing the tag in the Art in MK article. --Concrete Cowboy 17:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Oops did mean to leave a comment here. I think Art in Milton Keynes should be merged into here. - SeveroTC 18:17, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I suppose you could revert my move of the tags then.
Fundamentally, though, I think that the topic is one that can never be anything but POV (as the article is now). My vote is for delete. --Concrete Cowboy 12:21, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Redirects are cheap. I'm not saying anything in the Art in MK article is salvageable, but it is easy to redirect that article here, and link anything that related to Art in MK to that redirect, then if a viable article is created (even if tomorrow, in 6 months or 6 years!), it will already have a number of links to it (Build the web). SeveroTC 12:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Milton Keynes

You may be interested in a proposed WikiProject Milton Keynes. I proposed the idea today to gauge how much interest it will attract. I think we have enough editors that, with just a bit of organisation, we can systematically create excellent MK related articles. Please leave your interest and any comments at the proposal page, we'd love to hear from you. Regards, SeveroTC 20:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Size of the disgnated area

Until recently, this article cited The Plan for Milton Keynes saying the designated area was 25200 acres, rather than 22000 acres. I've consulted the source, and without the page reference, am slightly confused to how the figure of 25200 was chosen. In The Plan for Milton Keynes, Volume 1, Chapter 1, paragraph 2 (page 3), it says the draft designation order was made for "10,500 hectares (25,000 acres)" in 1966, and in 1967 the designation of "9,000 hectares (22,000 acres)" was made. Can anyone throw further light onto the 25200 figure? If not, we'll take 22,000 acres as that's what the primary and secondary sources seem to agree on. SeveroTC 13:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bletchley New Town?

Can anyone shed some light on this? Compared to many other large urban centres in the UK, Milton Keynes has a relatively low population density. However, well before it was designated as a New Town (1967) it had been known that the government wanted to create a large new centre somewhere in the area, and Bletchley may have seemed a more obvious choice. The article states that Bletchley had already seen some overspill development from London, but I'm sure I read somewhere that Bletchley actually offered to become the major new city the government was seeking to develop, even saying it was willing to accommodate up to 279,000 inhabitants within its existing municipal area. This would have resulted in a much higher population density - a higher target figure crammed into a considerably smaller area. If it can be confirmed and sourced that all this is correct, perhaps the article should include it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonythepixel (talkcontribs) 10:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is true, but in the scheme of things it is a detail of history since it never happened and this article is already very long. The History of Milton Keynes is the appropriate article and the topic is covered there. Annoyingly, Bletchley's bid to be the centre is not cited though I remember reading the book where it is mentioned, along with Wolverton's counter-bid. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 12:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I haven't heard this bit before: "it was willing to accommodate up to 279,000 inhabitants within its existing municipal area". From my reading, North Bucks became the target expansion area because of Bletchley's positive attitude towards expansion in the 1950s. SeveroTC 15:21, 17 April 2008 (UTC)