Talk:Milltown Cemetery attack

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This article is going to be expanded and have all the facts and sources checked by an ENGL 212 class from Saginaw Valley State University. Please do not make any large changes to the article while it is being updated. 4/3/06

This article could really do with being split into paragraphs or sections.

Contents 1 Contradiction 2 Beating, torture, mutilation etc. 3 POV attributed 4 WikiProject class rating

[edit] Contradiction

Stone himself has gone on to renounce violence and accepts that peaceful discussion is the only way forward for the Northern Irish political situation, although he remains in the UDA, and in 2005 said he would fully support and take part in a campaign of violence if the UDA ended its ceasefire.

Isnt this a contradiction? (Khanada 08:09, 6 April 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Beating, torture, mutilation etc.

We now have a reference to a brief BBC article that uses the word 'torture', but what did the toture involve, other than the beating? If they were tortured in some other way, then there should be a reference to a source that gives details. If not, the word is redundant and POV, as was 'mutilated'. Scolaire 07:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I'd have to agree with you there. (Derry Boi 09:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC))

It's not POV, it's referenced from a reliable source. As to details, the BBC probably wouldn't want to print what happened to them, and I'm certainly not going to say it here. Stu ^{’Bout ye!} 15:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

The BBC isn't actually a terribly reliable source for Northern Irish news. It's written by people from Northern Ireland for the majority of the NI related news and as such, often expresses POV. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 22:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree that the BBC is an unreliable source, but I've added another one. Stu ^{’Bout ye!} 10:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV attributed

WP:NPOV mandates journalistic sensationalism should not be presented as fact, as was happening in this article.

• [1] - "Corporal Wood and Cpl. David Howes were dragged from their car, stripped, beaten and shot by members of a Roman Catholic funeral procession Saturday in Belfast, Northern Ireland" - no mention of "torture"
• [2] - "The men were dragged from the car and taken to a nearby sports ground where they were stripped and beaten. They were then taken to wasteground by Murphy and Maguire and shot repeatedly - no mention of "torture"
• [3] - "who took part in the torture and shooting" - aha, the first mention of torture. Now read further on in the same article and see what the torture consisted of - "The men were bundled into a nearby sports ground, where they were stripped to their underwear and beaten. Murphy and Maguire then took them to wasteground, where they were shot repeatedly by two gunmen" - so it's the exact same as the other sources; stripped, beaten and shot.

Just one newspaper has decided to call the events "torture" but according to policy that doesn't make it a fact. Opinions attributed to the people that hold them, as policy mandates. Freegan 02:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

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