Talk:Millennium (TV series)

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1 Frank Black's "ability"
2 The image of Lara.
3 Episode list
4 "Jumping the shark"
5 The Millennium Group and The Academy Group
6 Fandom: Season Four
7 Theme Song
8 POV
9 Fair use rationale for Image:MillenniumDVD-Season3.jpg
10 Fair use rationale for Image:MillenniumDVD-Season2.jpg
11 Fair use rationale for Image:MillenniumDVD-Season1.jpg
12 Fair use rationale for Image:Millennium logo2.jpg
13 Fair use rationale for Image:Millenniumcast 2.jpg
14 his name
15 Looking for help writing an article about the spin-offs and crossovers of this series

[edit] Frank Black's "ability"

The latest addition seems a little questionable to me. While no one in the series may have stated in so many words that Frank was psychic, it doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to interpret statements that he has a "gift" or a "curse" as having psychic abilities. Can you really name any books, TV shows or movies (or even games) where a character is psychic and it isn't described as a gift and/or a curse? -DynSkeet (talk) 14:19, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

In one of the first few episodes, this dialogue is exchanged: Frank: I see what the killer sees. Bletcher: What, like a psychic? Frank: No. I put myself in his head. I become the thing we fear the most. 220.245.184.91 14:30, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Later on in the series, however (particular in Season 3), it becomes more and more obvious that Frank can do more than just get into the heads of serial killers. Towards the end of Season 3, he specifically states at least once that he has visions.--MythicFox 14:50, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree, the "not psychic" thing seems silly. Now on the show Profiler, which premiered around the same time producers confirmed that the "visions" which we saw were merely a storytelling device but here the characters seem to interpret them as real. Now it may be that Frank is not a postcog or telepath and that his visions are based on a supernatural ability to interpret evidence around him but this seems close enough to label it psychic unless the show had established a clear difference, which it did not.

[edit] The image of Lara.

Isn't Lara's insanity a pretty big spoiler? I don't think there should really be an image of it.

[edit] Episode list

Was anyone else aware that there's already a seperate article for the episodes? I thought about directing that section to the article, but then the images would be orphaned, and images already occupy quite a bit of the rest of the article. Plus, the episode list article pales compared to the one here. The list article either needs to be replaced as redirect, or the list here needs to be cut and pasted over the other. The problem with the latter option is that if the images go with it, they may look kind of out of place. What to do? --Bacteria 21:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually I wasn't aware that there was a seperate list of episodes however that seperate list was created after the list was already in the main article (the list in the main article was added in Feb '05 while the seperate article was created in May '05) so it would appear that the section was split off then never removed from the main one. I would hazard a guess that since it was never linked to from this page it never got much attention... certainly if I had known it existed at the time I was expanding the episode list on this page (in August '05 I put the list in a table and added the original broadcast dates) I would have done it on that page rather than this one.

That said, I would say that, in line with WP:FICT (treating episodes as just another piece of info on a fictional universe), the episode list fits into the main article fine at the moment and since it's not going to be getting any longer it would be best if it just stays here and the other article should be turned into a redirect. Now if people start expanding the info on the individual episodes and it does start to get a bit too long then perhaps we'll need to change the redirect back into a full article... but I guess we can deal with that issue if or when it comes up. -- Lochaber 01:47, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I was originally going to make a proposal to move the list, but thinking on it, I believe that the reason is heavy enough. Aside from the pointlessness of having the list both in and out of the article, this article itself has gotten very thick and the number of episodes is reasonable enough to support its own article (Firefly has only fourteen and a pretty tall main article, so Millennium seems to be in safe territory). I can't imagine anyone having objections to this, but there can also not be any good support for the list being in two articles at once. The only problem I had originally was with the image, but the moving of all but one motivated me to make the move; however, there is now an orphaned image that someone can maybe look into adding somewhere. --Bacteria 19:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Jumping the shark"

Being 'new' here I'm wondering if someone's opinion should be a part of this article? In fact according to the Offical Jump the Shark site, http://www.jumptheshark.com/m/millennium.htm It's the third season that killed it.

Why is 'Jumping the Shark' even part of this article?

Thanks.

[edit] The Millennium Group and The Academy Group

It should be mentioned that Chris Carter originally based the Millennium Group on a real-life organization. The Academy Group comprises retired FBI agents, Marshalls, Secret Service agents, etc. Their website is http://www.academy-group.com/. I think one of the season sets discusses the relationship between the Group and Carter. The second season mutated the Group into a fictional entity that bore little resemblence to the original, real-life organization.

[edit] Fandom: Season Four

I think a mention of the fandom activities in particular the virtual season four screenplays that wrapped up a number of loose plot threads should be mentioned in the interests of closure. Neutralaccounting 19:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

i don't know anything about these. are there any particular screenplays that are widely accepted throughout the fandom? or is it a case of everybody writing their own ideal ending to the show? if you have any sources (well-populated fan sites, etc) for some particular storyline or screenplay being accepted by a large group, it should definitely be included. --dan 09:21, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Theme Song

In the Millennium theme song, who do you see walking on a bridge? Who is the lady that appeared wearing a dress? To see please go to www.retrojunk.com, or watch it on DVD. You know the part where you hear a violn playing. First you see a lady, then a statue, then a explosion from a house. The cast appears, when it says "Created by Chris Carter." (at the age of 41 when he did this), you will see a lady walking, who is it. It ends on a house. Who old was this lady? To watch video clip of the theme song, please go to www.retrojunk.com/details_tvshows/675-millennium/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.196.178.200 (talk) 19:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

My recollection off hand is that it was the director's daughter? or someone close to Chris Carter. It's her only screen appearance. (StarkeRealm 09:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC))

[edit] POV

The comment: "It is unclear whether or not Lucy Butler is just another manifestation of Legion, a question made more complicated by the fact that the writers of the show don't seem to have originally intended to suggest there was a being named Legion behind the evil Frank was confronting each week, and the concept seems to have been spackled into the show's self-contradicting mythology by online fans seeking a pattern. It was only in season three that the writers, probably reacting to online speculation, began to consciously deal with Legion. " seems quite biased and subjective. I don't know anything about this series, but I suggest someone familiar with it re-write for objectivity. Or, if this is objective, expand and provide citation. -Thucydides

The problem is, it was Lucy Butler who may or may not have been the demon who called himself Legion. But, it was Lucy Butler who did most of the things attributed to Legion in the character section. Legion wasn't a major player for most of the series, if the judge was really Legion at all. (StarkeRealm 10:05, 14 October 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:MillenniumDVD-Season3.jpg

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[edit] his name

"Frank Black, the Millennium character, named after the musician."
Really ? Frank Black was named after Charles Thompson's stage name ? mymy 20:00 18 january 2008

[edit] Looking for help writing an article about the spin-offs and crossovers of this series

I am writing an article about all of the series which are in the same shared reality as this one through spin-offs and crossovers. I could use a little help expanding the article since it is currently extremely dense and a bit jumbled with some sentence structures being extremely repetitive. I would like to be able to put this article into article space soon. Any and all help in writing the article would be appreciated, even a comment or two on the talk page would help. Please give it a read through, also please do not comment here since I do not have all of the series on my watch list. - LA @ 17:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)