Talk:Milkhemet Mitzvah

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This article was nominated for deletion on 24 November 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

Contents 1 Why I made this page 2 list of quotes? 3 Dispute re current applicability 4 pagename

[edit] Why I made this page

I did not have any kind of anti-jewish agenda. Us muslims call a holy war a jihad, and I was only curious what jews call their holy war. I know that our two religions are very similiar and there must have been some kind of term fotr a jewish holy war. Of coarse, I should have looked into the subject better before creating it. But you should still be thankful I made this in the first place. I actually went and looked up what it is called and how to spell it in hebrew. User:Talib 72

[edit] list of quotes?

i've removed the quotes from mishneh torah (they're at this version [1] among others) as they appear to contravene WP:NOT#REPOSITORY specificly "collections of public domain or other source material". a few other users seem to have been of this opinion or similar (ie commenting them out etc.). i believe there's also a potentialy quite serious problem with the lack of context? (yes, i don't know, but i wouldn't rv like this without the guideline). i have also tagged for expert attention.  ⇒ bsnowball  15:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dispute re current applicability

There were reliable sources posted that a number of contemporary figures in religious Zionism, including Rabbi Goren as well as figures in the current modern attempt to revive the Sanhedrin, regard milhemet mitzvah and related concepts as having application not just to a king but to other kinds of sovereign government in the Land of Israel run by Jews, i.e the contemporary situation. I'm not presenting this as my own personal point of view, and the minority viewpoint might not extend very far outside Kahane types. However, my understanding is that per WP:NPOV, Wikipedia shouldn't make categorical claims in this situation, both viewpoints should be presented, although of course the majority and minority can be identified. Best, --Shirahadasha 22:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

• Hi Shira: So check it out and put it in if it's valid. But you know quite well Shira, that the official government of modern Israel does not, and never has, formulated its military and political policies according to what rabbis or any fake modern-day "Sanhedrin" thinks or says. Ben Gurion, Golda Meir, Begin, Rabin and the rest could not give a darn what rabbis think or say and they do not run the Israeli army that way either. Thus your objections are hard to understand. Just because someone, even a noted rabbi, says something on a topic does not mean that it thus becomes the way Israel does or does not do business. Think. IZAK 18:23, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not at all saying that the Israeli government does business this way, and the article should say that it doesn't. But the fact that there are rabbis out there who think it should is notable, and hence encyclopedic, although it should be emphasized that this not a majority or even a very large view. Best, --Shirahadasha 02:31, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't listen to the Rabbis or the politicians, look instead at what they do. The creation of the State of Israel, followed by the occupation of the Palestinian territories, the Golan heights and, temporarily, South Lebanon look a lot like the retaking of Eretz Israel, from Dan to Beersheba. The spectacular victories earned in these battles are proof that God approves (regardless of what Neturei Karta thinks). Hence, for Jews the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is Milchemet Mitzvah. Unfortunately, the WP:NOR policy prevents me from writing this in the article and I could find no source stating this obvious truth. Emmanuelm 03:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] pagename

Can this please me moved to "Milchemeth mitzva" or something that doesn't continue the imperialistic Ashkenazic insistence that there is no difference between cheth and khaf? Thanks. Tomer^talk 07:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC)