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[edit] Serbia's Defense Budget

Can someone post accurate Defense spendings, Serbia's defense budget (looking at 2006 Budget) was only 660 million USD (44.2 billion Dinar) I am trying to find more accurate data for 2007 and projected data for 2008. 1.2 billion is not accurate figure and I won't change it at this time, as this is only data we've got. I know Budget for 2008 might be in region of 900 million USD, but I need verifiable source.

Also Serbian GDP data is also inaccurate, PPP data should stand at 6600 USD and Nominal income was only 36.2 billion USD in 2007 (Excluding Kosova), including Kosova GDP did reach 41.1 Billion USD, so 1.2 billion USD budget as stated there represents far bigger chunk of National GDP, roughly 3.3 % of GDP, highly unlikely IMHO.

Also can someone update Serb Army reserves, how many and what units are in the reserve status. thanx.

Serbian Budget for 2008 - [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.154.228 (talk) 16:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Questions

  • Should we move all Air Force-Air Defense information into Serbian Air Force page as to clear up this current page? Bluewings 23:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Ko je napisao ovaj clanak vidim da je dobro upucen samo oznake brigada nisu zvanicno usvojene ili se varam?

[edit] Where are the pictures?

  • That is nice idea,. but Serbian Army (KoV-ground forces) is also using some air defense weapones, and we don't know wich are in army air defense, and witch are in air defense. Where are the pictures from Uniforms section? Srđan Popović 14:53,16. Jun 2007

[edit] Why is Domobran deleting pictures?

  • Why is Domobran deleting pictures? Srđan Popović, 15:15 17. June, 2007.

[edit] Structure

According to the information contained in this interview of the Serbia's Ministry's of Defence information magazine, in 2010 the Field Forces shall consist of:

  • 1st Brigade, 2nd Brigade, 3rd Brigade and 4th Brigade - (I have seen no official appelation, as in tank/mechanised/infantry, just numeral+brigade). The 4th Brigade has been activated as of June 30.
  • Special Brigade
  • Mixed Artillery Brigade
  • River Flotilla
  • MP Battalion
  • Signals Battalion
  • NBC Def. Battalion
  • Field Forces Staff units

The interview also says that the four standard brigades shall have each 10-11 battalions of different specialisation. But does not give the exact composition, nor says much about the rest. I'll try to dig about the other interviews in the coming days, see if I can squeeze anything out. Odbrana has a nice online archive, after all. Any native speakers wish to help a confused Swissoslav? Russoswiss 15:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Organization

You can find new structure of Serbian Army on it's website.

Guess they have updated the site then. Too bad its down for me right now. I've replaced "Divisions" with "Battalions", because "Дивизион" and its various local slavic forms is what many slavic nations call a battalion of artillery. And Eskadriles are, obviously, Squadrons. Russoswiss 03:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Divizion isn't pure battalion, it is old French artillery organization, I remember that Slovenia reorganized its artillery "divizion" into battalion organization after joining NATO. I'm still trying to find exact difference between the two organizations. :-) --Ivan Bajlo 07:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
What is a "Make Shift Battalion"??? --noclador 10:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Didn't even see that one, replaced with correct translation Pontoon Battalion. --Ivan Bajlo 12:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Make Shift Battalions are staffed exclusively with MacGyvers! On a more serious note, while a "дивизион" (+slavic variations) has a different number of men from, say, infantry counterparts, as far as I could see it is the equivalent of a battalion on the general hierarchy level. Russoswiss 11:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
And just a little correction to make. According to this link here, the 1st Brigade has a Tank Battalion 15, not a Transport Battalion 15. Russoswiss 08:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Boy, are you fast O.o Russoswiss 17:20, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
:-) noclador 20:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

-- Very nicely done noclador, With that I really see no need for the units (LF Brigades & others) to simply repeat all the sub-units in those groups, the very neat and organized chart that Noclador has provided us with will do just fine. The page will look much neater without them, they are just wasting space.Bluewings


[edit] Merge from Serbian military ranks

I think that this two article should be together.

--I agree the two should be combined, the ranks page is too small to justify for a whole new article. Bluewings 10:54 sept 8, 2007 (UTC)


---I agree too. user:Kos93 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kos93 (talk • contribs) 07:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


-- Ja se neslazem posto sam ja napravio tu stranu,i ta strana ce biti unapredjena novim oznakama i zastavama i obelezjem cim se uskoro bude usvojilo,sta sve da trpamo na stranu Military of Serbia. Boki13 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boki13 (talk • contribs) 11:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


  • Kako vam se sada čini stranica? Može li neko da nacrta činove za podoficire? talk

[edit] Photos and images

-- Ej, na slici Lađevci Air Base nije aerodrom Lađevci već batajnica.Kos93

-- Kos93 is correct, An-26's without propellers won't get very far... Bluewings

[edit] First Sentence

The first sentence makes no sense what so ever? Kukar 00:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Entire article makes no sense, I won't bother though, have better things to do with my time. BTW, there are so many lies in this article, makes me think why bother at all.


-- Ever wonder why Wikipedia is not to be used as a primary source? Sources are made available in most cases you just have to pay attention. Since you claim this article is a lie it would be helpful if you summarized which part/'s are so we may determine if they are lies or not, every little bit helps. ;) Bluewings —Preceding comment was added at 03:37, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Error in three finger salute interpretation.

Whatever the true origin of the Serbian three fingered hand signal is, it has existed since long before the 1990's. This clearly conflicts with opinion that the salute is a symbol of their three losses. If it were in fact the case that signal was originated after the losses in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo, then the signal would not be evidenced in photographs until 1999 at the earliest. Many photographs of Serbian soldiers during the period of on-going war clearly display the three fingered signal.

I question the labeling of the hand signal as a "salute." It is in fact not a formal military salute and has never been in a manner of addressing a higher ranking officer.

The three fingered hand signal has always been an informal gesture used by politicians, athletes, youth, and finally Serbian soldiers in a nationalistic tradition. Think of how the two finger peace sign became symbolic of Americans in the 1970's.

Please correct this section of the article. Yes the symbol is nationalistic, yes it incites strong and provocative feelings in Bosnians and Croatians, but it is not a official salute of the of the Serbian.

You can reference this article on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-finger_salute_%28Serbian%29 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Focusing (talk • contribs) 04:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


-- That was a case of vandalism, don't think too much of it, it happens. Also you are fully entitled to edit the article yourself so long as its sensible it will be fine, if you stumble on a article that clearly has questionable content or conflicting views by all means revert the edit to the previous post, no need to wait for others to do it. Bluewings

[edit] Branch Emblems

I am a bit concerned with the following images >>

  • Image:Emblem Command of Serbian Land Forces.jpg
  • Image:Emblem Command of Serbian Air Force and Air Defense.jpg
  • Image:Emblem Training Command of Serbian Army.jpg
  • Image:Recnaflotila.jpg

I would like some confirmation that these are indeed the official emblems of the respective branches. I have searched both the ministry of defense and official armed forces site's for them but could not find them. I'm a bit skeptical that these are the emblems as of now. Bluewings December 5, 2008 1:54 (UTC)

[edit] Conscription

There is no section about mandatory military service in Serbia. All males between 19 and 27 are expected to serve 6 months in the Serbian military or in civil service. What is even more interesting is that individuals of direct Serbian descent (one or more parents) who are not citizens of Serbia may still be conscripted, according to the US Embassy in Belgrade. Expatriates and foreign-born Serbian males who visit the country for more than 90 days are at risk of being detained until they completed their service, although to my knowledge this has never actually been carried out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.227.109.113 (talk) 20:36, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

This is very bad example of state oppresion against its own citizens - we can just hope that this violation of human rights will end in 2010 as state leaders declared (the state that oppress you does not deserve that you defend its existence, especially if that state failed to provide jobs for the young people). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.69.5.24 (talk) 00:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)