Talk:Military history of South Africa

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1 Assessment
2 Wrong and not NPV
3 South Africans defeat Italians?
4 Farm killings?
5 Second Anglo-Boer War or South African War

[edit] Assessment

This is a pretty good B-Class article. You can nominate it for A-Class if you want (if you have any trouble with setting up the nomination, please let us know); but I would say that it's somewhat unlikely to pass until it gets a lot more inline citations, as it's fairly sparsely cited for its length. Kirill Lokshin 16:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kirill: Thank you, will do, I am working on it. IZAK 04:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong and not NPV

The following section is biased and is not written from a neutral point of view. It also does not state *ANY* sources :

In 1994, before the advent of majority rule, the AWB gained international notoriety in its attempt to defend the dictatorial government of Lucas Mangope in the homeland of Bophuthatswana. The AWB, along with a contingent of about 90 Afrikanervolksfront militiamen entered the capital of Mmabatho on March 10 and March 11. During their entry to the homeland they were all observed indiscriminately shooting civilians and tossing grenades from their vehicles.

For online reference to the Bophuthatswana incident, see the book by Kemp : "AWB: Victory or violence" (http://www.arthurkemp.com/awb/index.htm)

[edit] South Africans defeat Italians?

There is a section about the South African army and air force helping to defeat the Italians in the Second Italo-Abbyssinian War. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's rubbish. Not only did no South African troops fight, but the Italians won the war and took over Ethiopia.

Just wanted to record why I'm deleting that bit. Makaar 22:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

South Africa entered the Second World War in Italian East Africa: Yes South African forces did defeat the Italians. http://rapidttp.com/milhist/vol026dt.html http://rapidttp.com/milhist/vol132ga.html http://www.amazon.com/War-Hundred-Days-South-Africans/dp/1874800103/sr=1-13/qid=1168914872/ref=sr_1_13/103-0853323-9117444?ie=UTF8&s=books

Fascinating how this piece of WW2 history is too hard to swallow for some.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.204.74.100 (talk • contribs)

Er... that's not true. The Second Italo-Abyssinian War was in 1935-1936. You have it confused with the North and East African campaigns during the Second World War. Refresher: WWII was 1939-1945. What you listed was not evidence of a defeat during the Second Italo-Abyssinian War, which is what the article seemed to suggest. Besides, the same fact is listed a couple of points later, so it doesn't really matter. Makaar 21:31, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Farm killings?

The South African farming community has suffered from attacks for many years.[22] While the majority of the victims have been white farmers, attacks have also been recorded against black farmers and farm workers, with claims of death tolls of up to 1,700 (July 2005) cited in the media.[23][24]

Um....There isn't good evidence that the farm murders are politically motivated, and as such, their inclusion in the military history of South Africa seems unwarranted. I'll snip this section in a day or two...give me feedback

ManicParroT 00:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I think you are right. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 17:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

No question about it - although I don't think the question should me "are the murders politically motivated" as much as "are the murders performed by a connected/organised group of people"? In order to justify including the information in this specific article ("Military History of South Africa"), more that just the personal motivation of each of the murderers should be taken into account. If turns out that they were part of a military group that carried out orchestrated attacks (or maybe aims to carry out random attacks) then the information shouldn't be in this specific article. Anrie 14:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Second Anglo-Boer War or South African War

Should we not use the name South African War for the conflict between 1899 - 1902? This is the more common name in most of the world and as far as I know also the name officially endorsed by South Africa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.6.206.13 (talk) 17:44, 22 February 2008 (UTC)