Talk:Military history of Puerto Rico

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[edit] Some definitions

History my friends, is not a past event as many of you out there think; history is the interpretation of that event. That is, an event happens and nobody knows about it, that then is not history; it becomes history when somebody writes about it or speaks about it. It is a big misunderstanding to think of history as an event in the past. History is an academic discipline that one gets to study with its sets of rules and methods for doing it; methodology is called. Now, there is no previous [military history] before Columbus times by the simple reason that nobody has ever written about it, or has documented it in any other mean whatsoever. Of course there had to be some fighting between clans or tribes; somebody knows about them? The answer is no, there is no history to it; that it was an assumed past event, certainly; but no one has said nothing about it.

The contributor has a Ph.D in history, the discipline, for some years now. Now that is history, I'm telling you about it. Oh, and by the way; it is no interpretation, is a fact. --In terrorem fidei defenso 06:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heads up

An article this size needs tons of citations. This article has none. The lead is also too short for FA. There are also several other problems that I will identify at WP:FARC, which is where I'm taking the article.UberCryxic 02:38, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

There is information here that has not been verified but that forms part of the traditional folklore. Diego Salcedo's drawwining is a myth there is no evidence of one Diego Salcedo ever living in puerto rico and the only diego salcedo in the americas lived in the dominican republic and died of old age. Please verify this facts with Francisco Scarano's History of Puerto Rico the standard textbook used in the University of Puerto rico and the smaller version used by the Department of Education. 64.213.114.204 (talk) 19:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
  • It may be a myth, it may not. Sometimes it is hard to determine when a myth is a lie that has been accepted as a fact. However, the case is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia which relies only on reliable verifiable sources. As such it would be acceptable to quote the findings of Dr. Ricardo Alegria. According to the respected and renowned Puerto Rican historian Ricardo Alegria, "The History of the Indians", Ricardo E. Alegría, 1969.[[1]] and other verifiable sites, there was a Diego Salcedo who was drowned by the Tainos.

It must be remembered that history books are often written in accordance to the times and the beliefs of the author. For example, Nazi Germany attempted to rewrite their history books in accordance to their beliefs. Other nations have their history books in accordance to their beliefs. The United States for example, omitted the contributions made by the African-American community until recently and presently does not mention the contributions made by the Hispanics to the founding and formation of their country.

The history books used in Puerto Rico's educational system prior to 1898, were those written by Dr. Salvador Brau. However, after Puerto Rico became a possession of the United States, the Federal government asked the Commissioner of Education of Puerto Rico, Paul Miller, to rewrite an Americanized version of the history of Puerto Rico omitting some aspects of the islands history, which he did and which was then used in Puerto Rico's school.

What I'm trying to tell you here is that just because an incident is not mentioned in a history book widely used does not mean it did not occur. Gracias por escribir. Tony the Marine (talk) 01:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is about verifiability not the "truth", accounts of this event are widespread in books and other reliable sources, Francisco's version was written from his point of view and he didn't include it based on his own criteria, however the event is notable enought to warrant its inclusion in this and other historical articles. - Caribbean~H.Q. 01:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Accents

I'm confused about accents throughout the Puerto Rican articles: do you all have a custom of *not* using the accents in names, as per Spanish? For example, Hector Andres Negroni (Andrés). Throughout the Venezuelan articles, we've put redirects to the correct names, with accents. Maybe you all have a different custom? Sandy 21:57, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

It depdens, if the article was written by Tony it probably does not have accents and diacritics. I, for one, place accents on Spanish names. The Puerto Rican group is divided in this regard. Joelito (talk) 22:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
OK, if the group is divided, I'll not change whatever is there. I added an accent to a Garcia somewhere: I'll go take it out. Sandy 22:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
You may leave it. It will not be reverted. There is no harm in leaving the accent. Joelito (talk) 22:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Too late :-) Sandy 22:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Proper names must be written in their language. And that includes not translating names and including accents. RAMPG 02:03, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes it does needs accents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.213.114.204 (talk) 19:55, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Question/Link

Mihiel Gilormini was featured as a "Did you know." Is he linked to this page? --57.68.138.132 14:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)