Talk:Mil Mi-24 variants

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[edit] Article strategy

I started cleaning this up today, removing the terrible overlinking, but it turns out that most of the separate little articles merged here were copyvios of Scramble and/or Venik's site (the latter reuses content from the former, plus material from elsewhere).

I've removed everything that's either a direct lift or a trivial re-wording of one of the sources, leaving only a few entries. Most of these are also re-words of the Scramble material, but are substantially-enough reworded that I don't think there are any copyright issues remaining, but the sophisticated wording of some of the remaining material still leaves me uneasy and wondering if that's really the case.

Unfortunately, the "copy-paste-reword" strategy seems to have introduced some problems of its own in the remaining material. For example: Scramble states that Mi-24VN "production was curtailed by ammunition feed problems", while the version contributed here "amplifies" this to say "production of the Mi-24VP was cancelled because of problems with ammunition feed in the twin gun and the rocket pods." Ammunition feed problems in the rocket pods? I strongly suspect that the contributor has simply made that up - not through any intention to deceive or insert false information - but in order to differentiate his text from the source he had lifted it from.

Other problems are due to the fact that Scramble (by its nature) has a far lower threshold of verifiability than we do - so the site will report rumours, "possibly unofficial" designations and the like, whereas we generally wouldn't. This different threshold is now reflected in this article.

So what do we do? Scrap this article and reinstate the original (long) variants section in the main Mi-24 article? Or move the original variants section from the main article here, merging it with whatever's salvageable, and proceed with BillCJ's plan to put a simplified version of the versions section in the main article? --Rlandmann (talk) 20:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

RL, if the editors agree the variants article is a good idea - and I'm somewhat supportive of it, since splitting the article into sevral on specific variants (my general preferance) is probably unworkable due to sheer numbers of variants - then I think using the last good copy of the variants section from the main article should be the way to go. - BillCJ (talk) 21:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Vote keep the article (a bunch of variants on a main page has always bugged me), but have a look at the New Pages list; there's been a bunch of "variant stubs" created by Stingray, the Helicopter Guy (some of which I moved to the List, some still hanging). Trekphiler (talk) 22:23 & 22:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

As I've stated in the main article's discussion, I would prefer to keep it all in one article. I just don't see there being enough material for a separate article, particulary considering that the main article would still have to say something about all the variants. And other aircraft articles doesn't seem to have a problem with lots of variants in the main article, even if it takes up a big part of the article. - Arneh (talk) 00:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

There are quite a few aircraft where we have separate articles for detailed treatment of the variants, and in the case of the Mil Mi-24 there's certainly enough variants and enough to say about them to support such an article (as we've seen!) And the Mi-24 article itself is already long. Bill - do you think you can have a variants summary in the main article in the next few days? Arneh - why not wait and see how that pans out and then see whether we want to merge it all back together again?

As a temporary measure, I've used the old text from the Mi-24 article itself to replace the text on this page with its dubious claims and possible copyvios. --Rlandmann (talk) 01:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)