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May-August 2007

rm of trivia

Why was this axed? --DNL 18:33, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Your block of Kelly Martin

Hi Mikkalai. Although I agree that Kelly's comment was not civil, I don't see how blocking her helps the encyclopedia. Could you explain how it does, please? --KFP (talk | contribs) 20:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

This was not only extremely punitive but a very bad idea on your part and I hope you will be more careful in the future. // Pilotguy radar contact 20:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Mikkalai, this is Wikipedia. I have expressed my dislike for Kelly's antics, but I still feel the block is not going to accomplish anything. Nishkid64 (talk) 20:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Oh yes it will, if there will be a zero tolerance policy for what you call "antics". `'mikka 21:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Then where have you been during these last few weeks where a number of people have complained against Kelly, and an RfC was even created? She was accused of incivility then, but I saw no block from you. Nishkid64 (talk) 21:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Are you asking me where I was? Look into my edit history. I am not running around policing. I stumbled upon this remark by a sheer accident. Before blocking I looked the editor's history. I see it is a long-time editor (since 2004). I guess must know rules already. Now I also see that has quite a few defenders, and I conclude the person will feel even more invincible. You are saying RfC is already. And this did not prevent the person from watching their texts, i.e., already feels above us all. And even threatens me. A nice colleague we have here. `'mikka 21:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I support your block of Kelly Martin. I have your back in this situation and if there is anything I can do, please let me know. You should know that I have a history with Kelly Martins chronic incivility and believe your actions to be the best. However, you might find some use in reading my essay on the darkside of wikipedia. If you would like to know more, please email me. Good luck! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I am not going to wage any wars here. I am not of superpolicing admins. I may only say that if next time I stumble upon a similar accident, I will do the same action. If I will be overcrowded fo soft-hearted admins, I will not lose my sleep. `'mikka 21:12, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Kelly Martin has had incivility issues as of late. I agree on that. However, I did not find your block from that comment on AN/I to be very useful, given that it seems like a punitive, not a preventative block. Eventually, if such behavior continues, an ArbCom case can be filed, and a decision can be made there. Also, Mikkalai, I would have supported your block in all honesty, if I didn't find a fault with the block. Nishkid64 (talk) 21:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Once again, we are not talking about a novice. Incivility is a gross disruption. Pray tell me how can I prevent incivility in a person who has already been editing since 2004 and hence knows only perfectly well what they are doing. Arbcom has far more real job to do than to babytalk badmouthers. This can be done by community.
Oh, I've just peeked into Kelly's block log and I am STUNNED how easily they are immediately being unblocked. No wonder the person does not have to contain themselves . `'mikka 21:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I have read a little bit from the person's talk page User talk:Kelly Martin#RfA and userboxes / "capitalized gibberish" issue, and I am totally stunned that one person crawls on their belly multiply and profusely apologizing before Kelly after being insulted by Kelly, and Kelly just keeps on hammering, and even the slightest idea that it is time to retract some of their language, becauase the poor opponent is clearly in full good will. Even after being quite politely and very delicately pointed out that "it just may be sorry dear Kelly think a litle, may be this poor guy does not deserve it, give him a slack". This attitude to colleagues is disgusting I must say. `'mikka 21:32, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey Mikkalai, please take this suggestion lightheartedly: go and have a cup of tea. You seem to be getting worked up over at Kelly Martin's talk page and I'm sure whatever response Kelly gives will just work you up more. Come back and help build the pedia.  :-) --Iamunknown 21:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I am cool. You may look into my edit history; I am not a person who spends 87% of time in talk pages. I am just curious to figure out to what degree Kelly may mount their disrespect to colleagues. `'mikka 21:54, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, you'll be surprised.  :) (or maybe ):) But compiling a list may not be entirely helpful. Kelly usually does explain some of her, what first appear to be, weird opinions upon being asked. Some are actually quite useful and well-thought out! (I really like her opinion about dissuading reputation which you can see on her talk page currently.) --Iamunknown 21:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I would love to hear Kelly's how thier votes in Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Bloodpack and Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Lord Hawk may be read other than trying to prove that wikipedia's V for A is inherently faulty. `'mikka 22:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Mm, I don't think Kelly was being disruptive (though maybe a slight bit silly and humorous). That we can't easily identify her humour might be because she can be uptight, then silly, then downright incivil, then lacadaisical, then back again. Keeps ya on your toes.  :-P --Iamunknown 22:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
OK let's assume Kelly was trying to be funny. One thing to be funny while voting "support", but while voting "oppose" is an insult (look up mockery in wikipedia). Any other options? `'mikka 22:50, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Its not necessarily an insult; depends upon how you look at it. I try to accept criticism (the "opposes" of wiki-correspondence) in stride and improve from them (I admittedly am not always so civil about it though, and occassionally lash out :-(). Remember also that, at the very least, you can assume that Kelly is not acting maliciously, but does have good intentions, whether or not she is..erm..expressive about them in incivil ways.  :-D --Iamunknown 23:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Just a notice to the editors; Anittas is taken bets on the following predictions:

Who will be blocked next?

A) Kelly Martin (3.0) B) Mikkalai (2.4) None (1.1)

When will Mikkalai remove all the discussions from his talkpage?

A) In 12-hours from now (1.7) B) In one hour from now (2.0) C) The discussion will be archived at a later date (4.0) --Thus Spake Anittas 21:54, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

While I support the block you made (and would have made it myself had I been here at the time), please be aware that deeper currents will examine anything you do in regards to "long-term editors", so acting with the greatest aplomb only benefits everyone. Cheers. -- nae'blis 23:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Please try to be more respectful

I have reverted the comments you added to the closed section on my talk page. They are not helpful and do not reflect any meaningful attempt on your part to resolve any dispute; rather, they seem to me to be you attempting to flex your muscle. You are, of course, free to do so, but continued rudeness of this sort on your part will likely impact your reputation on this project. Kelly Martin (talk) 21:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, I know perfectly well that I have no muscle for a simple reason: I have no buddies in wikipedia. I agree to remove the "dirt digging" piece, but an answer to one thing will stay, sorry. `'mikka 21:54, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
P.S. "Reputation": why would I need any? Also IMHO it is a VERY dangerous idea to base edit contributions on editors' repoutations. IMO thare are only two grades: vandal or editor (even one I thoroughly dislike). Anything elese is a road to disaster. `'mikka 22:13, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Heh, Kelly, you must be gettin the orange bar a lot.  :D --Iamunknown 22:00, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Regarding reversions[1] made on May 1, 2007 to User talk:Kelly Martin

This entry by user:Cbrown1023 has been removed by Irpen as improper, inflammatory and ill-advised. --Irpen 00:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


Planting standard templates on established users, let alone on experienced admins, is calculated to inflame, is disrespectful, is foolish. Bishonen | talk 23:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC).
Let me guess: trolling or playing games? `'mikka 22:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Mikka, that's out of line. --Durin 22:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
    • If you think so, please ask User:Cbrown1023 why I don't see a similar his remark on another editor's talk page. Also go and count the number of reverts in question, just for fun of exercise. Then come back and ask me what I had in mind and I tell you. `'mikka 22:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
      • There's considerable heat here. Accusing him of trolling and/or violating WP:POINT adds heat, not light. That's why it's out of line. --Durin 22:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
        • Did you do what I asked? In addition please read carefully the notice I've been slapped with. Doesn't it strike you as amusingly ridiculous? If you don't see it, ask me and I explain. `'mikka 22:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
          • Accusing a person of trolling is inappropriate. Your comments serve to inflame rather than calm the situation. --Durin 22:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
            • Accusing me of revert war serves noble purposes, evidently. Yes/no? `'mikka 22:41, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Mikka, you cannot on one had speak about following standards (e.g. your well called Kelly's violation of NPA), and on the other hand, dismiss a warning about violation of 3RR. And if another user deserves such a warning, and he'she didn't, that does not mean that the warning was inappropriate. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 22:27, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
jossi, I have already expressed my disgust with your habit of jumping at conclusions without looking into matter. I did a single restoration of my reverted edits. `'mikka 22:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Also note that your edits were to a user talk page. You may need to re-read Wikipedia:User page. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 22:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
"your edits were to a user talk page": Precisely. I was discussing my block in the talk page of the blocked person. And you are policing without looking into the issue. `'mikka 22:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
You are right: if there was a block and the block was contested, an admin has all rights to discuss the block. But you don't have to discuss that in the blocked user's talk necessarily. You could simply move the discussion to the unblocking admin page, and ask him/her for the reasons and complain about not discussing the unblock with you as customary. You may be right, but to be right does not mean that you will succeed. You need to also consider what would be the best course of action, given the considerably heat around the user over the last few days. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:12, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
If there is a heat around this user, this is the problem of the user, not me. If I added more heat, it simply something about the attitude of this user. Like I've already said elsewhere, I am not going to go into the war here (please notice I even didn't fight to reinstate my block. If the majority likes the foul language and snide humor of Kelly, fine with me. I did one small piece of adminning. Someone other will do another piece, etc. Community, you know. I am not going to be a sole enforcer of anything. Neither I will rally for support of my actions.). My sole activity here are to track this particular thread until it dies out by a natural death. `'mikka 23:43, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

While I can appreciate all sides of the discussion here, can we just drop it? There's been considerable heat everywhere for at least the past two days and further discussion here just, probably, won't help any. Tea, anyone? --Iamunknown 22:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Only if I get to choose the flavor. --Durin 22:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Two days? Man, I am missing all the fun in wikipedia, editing articles all day long, an unpaid idiot. (I even dont have a political axe to grind! graphomaniac, me looks like) `'mikka 22:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Gasp Article editing? What is this thing that you speak of? (Wow, I haven't gotten to edit articles much lately.  :-() --Iamunknown 22:44, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Yep, editing articles in wikipedia is a ridiculous occupation, suitable for trolls and nerds. Really smart people create policies, excchange greeting cards, team up do defeat political opponents. MUD, yu know... `'mikka 22:53, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
        • Heck, I'm not even smart nor am I an admin, why am I in this business? --Iamunknown 22:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC) Mm, the wiki way, that's why!  :-D
          • Who told you you have to be smart? Smart ones are lawyers. the very fact of your presence here screams "refuge of unrecognized smartasses". `'mikka 23:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
            • I'm confused now. Are you calling me a smartass? --Iamunknown 00:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
              • I am confused now: are you not joking or yes? Assuming not: I am calling all of us "unrecognized smartasses" (Ha ha only serious), referring to my understanding of wikipedia as "running away from reality" or whatever shrinks call it: instead of achieving success in "real world" and becoming rich and famous, people are playing the MUD of wikipedia. Of all us only Jimbo is rich and famous in relation to wikipedia so far (or am I missing the jackpot somewhere?). `'mikka 00:37, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
                  • Mikka, some of us are retired, and have already achieved our fame and fortune -- such as it is ;-) Paul August ☎ 17:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
                    • It is never enough (so I heard :-). `'mikka 17:44, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
                • I am not joking. I was unsure whether your comments were a personal attack. I don't particularly mind being unrecognized; I can still help out in my own way. --Iamunknown 00:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm ashamed

Mikkalai, when I see the unreasonable attacks made on you on this page for having integrity in the face of wiki power and privilege, I'm ashamed. Just as a contrast, I recently had to persuade a noted Kelly supporter out of the idea that a dedicated editor like User:DreamGuy needed to be blocked for a month for not being a ray of sunshine around the place. I got the usual shower of sour comments over such interventions: "Bishonen, I hope you're not yet again offering undue protection to someone who makes good content but is given to vicious personal attacks on the wiki".[2] But then that involved a user without power and (as you say) without buddies. And now look at the vicious personal attacks in this case, and all the "undue protection" eagerly laid at the feet of Kelly Martin on this page of yours alone... bah. I honor the contrast of your own respectable position. Bishonen | talk 23:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

"In the face of wiki power and privilege": I am a bit confused: is Kelly Martin of some power? Had no idea. Whatever. `'mikka 01:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Mikka, charming :). And I believe you are honest. Unfortunately, those buddies will continue their presence all over your page, believe me, because they have all the time in the world while we are writing articles. But I am somehow not worried for you, sport. Keep it up! On the side note, link :(. But we got the Euro 2012. Cheers, --Irpen 01:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, she is. You don't get the benefit of courtiers without it. Bishonen | talk 01:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC).
Well, the mutual courtiers and cliques abound. I don't even want to start figuring out who is who in wikipedia no my damn business. I do stumble upon some hard-opinionated ones, especially in policy pages, who seem to radiate and command some sancticity, but they tell us there is no cabal. No cabal there is, then. `'mikka 01:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

It might help if you worked a bit harder on maintaining a level response tone through incidents like this, but... nobody is above the policies. Georgewilliamherbert 02:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Nobody is above the policies, in theory. I, for one, place considerable weight on mikka's words, regarding any subject. El_C 06:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Cabal or no cabal, power or no power, Kelly is right out of order - you blocked - it was a good call. Giano 07:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Can't agree with that one. Sorry! Dr. Dan 13:02, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I also think the block was in order. There is no cabal, but it sure can look like there is one sometimes. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 14:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Y'all will note that I didn't challenge the block. I was quite prepared to go spent a few hours sorting uploads for commons, as I have about 500-600 recent photographs that I haven't sorted through for suitability and I really should get around to that sometime soon. However, someone else (not at my request) noticed the block, and decided to unblock. That's not my doing, any more than the block was my doing. I probably did deserve to be blocked; at the same time I know that the silly politics of this project would lead to a huge outcry because I had been blocked (whether or not I said anything), and then Mikka's talk page becomes the new place for the silly factions to play silly games (as we see above). I don't appreciate the edit warring on my talk page, but I'm willing to put that behind me. I just wish the rest of Wikipedia would get out of this silly high school politics mentality. Kelly Martin (talk) 14:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Moving on....

I understand that people make rash decisions in the heat of the moment, and while I think you acted yesterday with insufficient information, I also think you'll likely learn from the mistake, so I'm not inclined to hold any of the unfortunate events of yesterday against you.

So, no hard feelings? Kelly Martin (talk) 14:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Believe me, when I will have hard personal feelings, I will not hesitate to express them. In particular, it still worries me that it is me who is supposed to learn from mistakes rather than you. I was acting not "in the heat of the moment", but "in view of the evidence". I don't have to waste my time tracking down and weeding out all interpersonal/interclique relations. My reaction was an admin-mapped reaction of a first best newcomer who saw what I saw: "whoa, this person must be nasty!" When you are getting a ticket for running a stop sign, the police officer doesn't really care that you are rushing because that idiot two blocks ago was crawling, like, 12mph, and you need to catch up the time lost.

Unlike you, I am not going to teach you how to live and behave (you are an active editor since 2004, this is all I need to know in making a decision in such cases), because, as you suggested above, I don't know the whole context. I myself was blocked twice for 3RR 100% unjustly, and the first time I was really pissed off (violated virginity, I guess :-), when I was reverting open proxy sockpuppets. The second time (when during exchanging edits towars a compromise version one admin noticed that I deleted one big chunk three times, but failed to notice that it was a duplicated piece of text) I only chuckled. `'mikka 15:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

What you are expected to learn is that blocking long-term editors for perceived incivility is a bad idea unless you particularily want to turn your talk page into a tempest in a teapot. It generates drama far out of proportion to the problem the block seeks to remedy, and does nothing to resolve the issue at hand. Do you really think that your block did any good? Anyway, pax, get back to writing an encyclopedia already. Kelly Martin (talk) 15:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Colleague, once again, your phrasing "perceived incivility" worries me. It was incivility, period. Just don't do it, OK? And you will have no reasons to teach me any lessons. `'mikka 16:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I endorse this comment wholeheartedly as an outside observer. Kelly is not taking responsibility for her actions here, pawning it off as "perceived incivility" and "silly factions". -- nae'blis 18:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
It was the unblock that was disruptive in my opinion. Just because the block was reversed does not mean that WP:CIVILITY is not a policy anymore, it just seems that way. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 15:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Could we, perhaps, leave mikka alone and let him get back to editing the encyclopedia without the Orange Bar of Doom intruding on his serenity? Kelly Martin (talk) 16:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Orange Bar of Doom. `'mikka 16:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 16:02, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

In the Non-apology apology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Non-apology_apology page - you recently cleaned up a reference pointing to a wikinews article [3].

Is wikinews an acceptable reference?

IP vandal

Thanks for clearing this guy's vandalism. -- Petri Krohn 05:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Solutions provider

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Solutions provider, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Smerdis of Tlön 15:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

NB - not claiming you're in any way responsible for that messy article, but you are a named editor with some involvement in it, and the article was created by an IP address. The history is rather messy there. - Smerdis of Tlön 15:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


May 2007

Hello. I'm in agreement with the recent revert you made to Yonkers, New York. You may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct

new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Best regards, PxMa 02:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Hehe...sorry! --PxMa 02:14, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Red terror

Hi! I answered on my talk page, you can find a lot of links there. I meditate on that should I write an separate article or may I inject the infos in the Hungarian Soviet Republic article. ♥♥♥: Gubb  ✍    2007. May 4 17:07 (CEST) 17:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Chapaev

Please see Talk:Vasily_Chapayev.


Sevvostlag

Please see the article's talk page. —A • D Torque 10:48, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


Hello! Thanks for clearing my name.

Hello, On 26 January 2007 you edited the article Nard, which happens to be my name. From that date on I am no longer a testicle, but just a flower or a game. Thank you for clearing my name! You can contact me at the name of the article add a "v" to it, and then yahoo.com. Greetings. (delete after reading Mikka) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.61.83.19 (talk) 08:00, 12 May 2007 (UTC).

Mathematics CotW

Hey Mikka, I am writing you to let you know that the Mathematics Collaboration of the week(soon to "of the month") is getting an overhaul of sorts and I would encourage you to participate in whatever way you can, i.e. nominate an article, contribute to an article, or sign up to be part of the project. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks--Cronholm144 23:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Civility

Hi. I and a couple of other users have become concerned with your general conduct and what we see as incivility. Please comment at Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts#Incivility by User:Mikkalai. Thanks. -- BlastOButter42 See Hear Speak 03:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I found your comments on the Illegal number discussion to be uncivil and generally impatient and unacademic. I hope that you do not behave likewise on other talk pages. I am even more concerned that you removed a previous comment to those regards without bothering to respond to them. samwaltz 06:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


Please come and discuss your recent vandalism here.Tchoutoye 01:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Kremlin.ru template

Mikka; ok, I see we both have a major difference on the use of the Template:Kremlin.ru on English Wikipedia. While I know this is a source we both want to use, but in it's current form, it is completely useless on Wikipedia. The problem is that given the way the Foundation is going with copyright, they pretty much want works to be udner GFDL, Creative Commons or public domain; if not, the works are pretty much not welcome. And, while I do admit most CIS nations have vague notices (I deal with this a lot with Belarusian media); many editors want a clear license with clear do's and don'ts. Anything that seems to be fuzzy now is either being clarified over the emails or being deleted. As we saw on the Commons, no amount of keep votes saved the templates, since the Foundation policy cannot be overridden by a bunch of keep votes.

Now, you state that there is an EDP policy for English Wikipedia. We have one, it is how we deal with non-free content. Under the rules of the freedomdefined website, Kremlin.ru will be considered non-free due to the non-mentions about modification and commercial use. So that will put images from the Kremlin under tight rules. But, what images could we use from the Kremlin? So, one of the best guess could be of world leaders? Well, the problem is that since most leaders are living, we cannot have fair use images of leaders. What about events? Well, most events are usually not worth noting, but if so, we have other sources to grant PD images, like the White House. As for a Russian based event, Yeltsin's funeral, we have pictures of the grave days after, still flowing with the floral tributes by all who pass by. Any use of the Kremlin template for images will be pretty small and not worth keeping on the English Wikipedia. We pretty much have to use the clout we have in order to get them to release under a better license or just have more Russians take pictures (or send out letters to folks who do, such as MosNews). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 09:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Your hypocricy is surprizing. You deleted lukashenko image again stating "it is no longer used", as if you don't know what's happening here. Just don't talk to me again. `'mikka 17:28, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Mikka, I think you might be missing the point a bit here. I do not think Zscout is trying to pick or prolong a fight, the issue identified is real and does need to be addressed and this would be much easier if you, as one of our more experienced admins as well as a fluent Russian speaker, could help out. Yes, there is bad blood in the past, but please do try to see the wider picture - specifically the Foundation mandate against using any kind of non-free content where a free alternative might reasonably be obtained. This is a philosophical point, and one which has attracted a lot of kickback. You might consider contacting Florence Devouard or someone about it if you don't want to debate with Zscout or me, but it would be better I think if the two of you could work together rather than fighting about it. On ideological and practical grounds, Foundation has mandated, as I understand it, that we should not use unfree content where a free alternative might credibly be sourced, and that is being interpreted as applying to almost all images of living individuals, since all it would need to get a free one is an editor with a camera in the right place. Anyway, please do give this some thought. Thanks, Guy (Help!) 19:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't care about Foundation. Y'all totally and tirelessly missing my point: show me the wikipedia policy that clearly states so. I don't want to read and comprehend your explanations and motivations several feet long. I am not stupid and understood this trend since the very first fights over {{PD-USSR}} a year ago. I want to see a clear wikiPedia policy as an argument. `'mikka 19:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Foundation has mandated policy. That's how it works - the servers belong to them. Now how about actually helping, please? Guy (Help!) 21:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
For n-th time: wikipedia has its own policies, and they must reflect the situation. US law also has rules. UN also dictates things. It is but a common sense that the lower level authority must provide readily assessed references. As for helping, thanks for the invitation. My temper does not allow me to deal with wikilawyers. It looks like it is a well-defined separate breed, and after several attempts I am no longer willing to waste my time in dealing with them. I have no doubts they mean well for wikipedia, but the arrogant attitude of many of them drives me nuts, so I decided to stay away from the trouble. I am pointing at a problem. If y'all think it is a nonissue, I will not lose my sleep. `'mikka 22:01, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

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Goon

I understand why you are miffed by FuegoFish's comments, but it is clear that this is a legitimate meaning of "goon". Man with two legs 23:52, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Look into this

This guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bleh999

Adds some very pro german anti Russo pictures, and very racist text for example.

A dead Russian Bolshevik or red army soldier is displayed for the camera by a member of the US 339th infantry of the North Russian Expeditionary Force during the polar bear expedition.
A dead Russian Bolshevik or red army soldier is displayed for the camera by a member of the US 339th infantry of the North Russian Expeditionary Force during the polar bear expedition.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Deadparagermany.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:April-1945fatality.jpg

German Gestapo agents arrested after the fall of Liege, Belgium, are herded together in a cell in the citadel of Liege
German Gestapo agents arrested after the fall of Liege, Belgium, are herded together in a cell in the citadel of Liege

There are many more examples but basically Enormous anti Russian all Russians must die because they exist and all Germans are god let us all worship them sieg heil für meine führer.

Block his assRaisestoodbn 12:11, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Прошу прощения, если ошибаюсь - правильно ли я понимаю, что здесь можно задать вопрос юзеру Mikkalai?

юзер Borislvin

да. `'юзырь mikka 19:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

ага, отлично! вопрос связан со статьей http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famines_in_Russia_and_USSR как мне показалось, вы были если не создателем ее, то одним из активных авторов сам вопрос - как можно узнать что-нибудь поподробнее о докладе, на который в статье дается ссылка (Genady Golubev and Nikolai Dronin, Geography of Droughts and Food Problems in Russia (1900-2000), Report of the International Project on Global Environmental Change and Its Threat to Food and Water Security in Russia (February, 2004).). Гугль о таком докладе (и о таком проекте) ничего не знает, библиотека Конгресса - тоже, FirstSearch тоже не помогает. Может быть, я плохо искал, но найти не смог. Находится книга Дронина и Беллингера "Climate Dependence and Food Problems in Russia, 1900-1990: The Interaction of Climate and Agricultural Policy and Their Effect on Food Problems". Если эту ссылку ставили вы, то буду очень признателен за помощь в поиске доклада.

As you could have possibly guessed, the title of the book suggests that it is based on the quoted report. Judging from the google books preview, this isvery similar to the text I held in my hands. It is even probably stored on my home computer somewhere, if I didn't delete it. I am curious why golubev is not among authors. On the other hand, judging from titles in the reference list in this resume, I may guess that the same data were cut'n'pasted into a multitude of reports, articles and books.
BTW, google does know about this project. `'юзырь mikka 22:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Спасибо! Я видел эту кассельскую страницу и даже решил было, что она и есть про тот самый проект, но меня смутило отсутствие там этого самого доклада. А нельзя ли проверить, сохранился у вас этот доклад или нет? И если да, то было бы полезно сверить его с книгой (я буду ее заказывать). Если окажется, что их содержание близко, то, наверно, имело бы смысл поправить ссылку в статье - заменить практически недоступный и неверифицируемый доклад на легко доступную книгу.
The abovementioned project gives the following ref: Golubev, G., Dronin, N. 2003. Geography of droughts and food problems in Russia of the Twentieth Century. Research Report of the Center for Environmental Systems Research, University of Kassel and Department of Geography, Moscow State University. (In preparation)
...Some more hacking ... and voila: This is exactly what you are asking me! I am wondering why Гугель does not see it. `'юзырь mikka 22:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Спасибо еще раз! Очевидно, вы опережаете меня в искусстве поиска - я буквально в эту минуту нашел ссылку, которую вы дали, но вот до самого текста доклада не дошел, потому что искал на http://www.usf.uni-kassel.de/usf/archiv/dokumente/projekte , а посмотреть на ftp еще не догадался :))) Наверно, теперь стоит поставить найденный линк в исходную статью.

He-he. Already there :-) But I am afraid that links of this kind do not live long. As you suggested, it would be interesting to compare with the book whether it contains the info used in wikipedia article. `'юзырь:mikka 22:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Вижу :) Но куда-то подевалась таблица с перечнем неурожаев. Это нарочно или она сейчас в процессе редактирования? Borislvin 22:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
A vot i ne ugadali. `'юзырь:mikka 22:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Слэш забыли поставить, а теперь поставили, да? Я в википедических делах неопытен :) Borislvin 22:51, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Are you going to contribute to wikipedia? See User talk:Borislvin. `'юзырь:mikka 22:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Я участвовал в сильной переделке статьи http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_Order_%E2%84%96_00485 (обсуждение - http://therese-phil.livejournal.com/75061.html , там и ваш портрет висит :))) для этого и завел здесь аккаунт. P.S. я там - bbb Borislvin 00:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I've seen your edits already. You didn't answer my question. `'юзырь:mikka 05:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Ответ, по-моему, очевиден из ЖЖ-линка - если ЖЖ-юзер тереза_фил предоставит свои варианты статей по сталинским репрессиям, то я постараюсь их википедировать. Borislvin 12:58, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Кстати, увидел вашу правку в статью о польском приказе. Спасибо, не знал, что вы сделали специальную статью про Никиту Петрова. Но если уж вы ее создали, то, наверно, имеет смысл дополнить список его публикаций следующими позициями: 1) "Архивная контрреволюция" (Интервью Н.В. Петрова редакторам "НЛО") - http://magazines.russ.ru/nlo/2005/74/arh22.html 2) Н.В.Петров, К.В.Скоркин "Кто руководил НКВД. 1934–1941. Справочник" Москва 1999 - http://www.memo.ru/HISTORY/NKVD/kto/index.htm 3) Н.В.Петров, А.Б.Рогинский "Польская операция» НКВД 1937–1938 гг." (глава из книги) - http://www.memo.ru/history/POLAcy/00485ART.htm 4) "Современное состояние российских архивов" - http://www.bulletin.memo.ru/b24/35.htm (там, кстати, и фотография классная) 5) "Десятилетие архивных реформ в России" - http://index.org.ru/journal/14/petrov1401.html 6) "Список "Мемориала"" - http://www.znanie-sila.ru/online/issue_1732.html и http://www.znanie-sila.ru/online/issue_1781.html 7) "Репрессии в аппарате МГБ в последние годы жизни Сталина 1951-1953" (Cahiers du monde russe, номер 44/2-3, Les pratiques administratives en Union soviétique, 1920-1960) - http://monderusse.revues.org/docannexe4087.html 8) "Роль МГБ СССР в советизации Польши (проведение референдума и выборов в Сейм в 1946-47 гг.)" - http://www.livejournal.com/users/bbb/1268772.html плюс http://www.livejournal.com/users/bbb/1269125.html и http://www.livejournal.com/users/bbb/1269377.html 9) Никита Петров, Ольга Эдельман ""Шпионаж" и "насильственная смерть" И. А. Ефремова" - http://www.ruthenia.ru/logos/number/2002_02/02.htm . Я бы сделал сам, но статья "ваша", да и делаете это вы в сто раз лучше меня.
One of the fundamental ideas of wikipedia is that no one owns an article. The complemenraty one is that writing an article is a cooperatife effort. You have information, but don't know standards of formatting. I know standards but have poor English. Jonh is native in English speaker, but naive in Russian history, etc. One of nasty critics of wikipedia compared this effort with "million monkeys with million keyboards". It is just as stupid as witty. `'юзырь:mikka 14:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm perfectly aware of this glorious fundamental idea, and what we've done right now is an excellent example of cooperative effort :) When I'm more familiar with formatting standards I will do it such editing myself. BTW, I noticed that you did not include a number of Petrov's publications in the list - is is because you believe them to be of substandard quality? Borislvin 18:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
quality: I would not put it in this way. The issue is a yer]t another important but often vague concept of wikipedia:Notability. We would not want to turn an encyclopedia article of, say, a professor, into a curriculum vitae with bibliography section listing hundreds of publications. Usually most prominent, influential works are listed. In our case, intereviews are hardly milestones in Petrov's work. About Efremov is an interesting one, I even pointed at it in Talk:Ivan Yefremov a week ago. But, while useful for Efremov's article, I wouldn't classify it as of strategic importance in Petrov's bio. I may be wrong, but you will have to prove it, e.g., by pointing out at a noticeable discussion of importance of this work in reliable sources. `'юзырь:mikka 18:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
It sounds quite reasonable; I see your point. Borislvin 03:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Lord Marshal

See Talk:Lord Marshal `'юзырь:mikka 01:19, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Siberia (disambiguation)

Take a look at Siberia (disambiguation). Vandal came again. Beatle Fab Four 05:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Quick query

Moved to Talk:Lvov princely family, where it belongs. `'юзырь:mikka 02:20, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Operation Barbarossa

Some major restructuring appears to be taking place; I do not have time at present to review it at length. You may wish to have a look. Thanks. El_C 03:11, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


started Isaak M. Yaglom

Hi, I have started Isaak M. Yaglom. --Jtir 17:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

List of Stalinists page

Please discuss edits/reverts on the Talk:List of Stalinists page. Thank you. --Extra Fine Point 15:11, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Russian for "Chief Designer"

Hi, could you check my edit here? --Jtir 18:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the detail about his last name being known only in a small circle. Do you know of a source that says this? (I will try to check Harford.) --Jtir 20:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Black Eagle (uprising)

Привет! Я перенаправил Black Eagle (uprising) на Pitchfork Uprising. Про чёрных орлов ничего не знаю, мы в школе проходим это событие как "вилочный мятеж".. :)

Кстати, восстание зародилось конечно на территории Уфимской губерии, но это территория нынешнего Татарстана. Даже Белебей, что относится к Башкирии, тоже преимущественно заселён татарами. А Башкортостан Little Bashkortostan к тому моменту уже существовал как независимая от Уфимской губернии республика, и только потом его власть распространилась на территорию всего нынешнего Башкортостана с преимущественно русским и татарским населением. Но на момент этого восстания собственно Башкирия в нём не участвовала. --Üñţïf̣ļëŗ (see also:ә? Ә!) 10:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Fermentation starter

Moved to Talk:Fermentation starter.

Finnish Lakeland

Updated DYK query On 13 June 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Finnish Lakeland, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 00:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Kapo

Why did you go around reverting my edits? /user.talk 02:28, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, fine. I won't remove Kapo to Kapo (disambiguation). I do realize that using Capo instead of Kapo is a better redirect; however, I did not realize that Capo existed. However, you reverted my links to the disambiguation page without adding new ones in. Is there anything wrong with doing that? /user.talk 23:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I do not understand why disambiguation templates should not be placed on those pages. May you clarify? /user.talk 05:39, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Siberian Russian article on Estonia

Why did you make this edit? [4] Digwuren 11:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Mindreading

You have now repeatedly suggested that I cease trying to figure out what you think. I can not; I see reconstructing the opposing ideas as an important, integral part of any discussion, even more so in a debate. Digwuren 22:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

A question

Mr. Mikkalai, I have a question. How old are you, if I'm permitted to ask? I am rom 1941, but I didn't now there where other editors of old age. This is a interesting thing. I thought, at first, most of the editors where youngsters !

B.T.W, thanks for being so friendly to that lill' Asian pole-dancer !

-)-(-H- (|-|) -O-)-(- 11:19, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

List of English words of Russian origin

Why have you restored (meaningless) links to disambiguation pages?--Redaktor 16:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review

HHO gas and Brown's gas were deleted, despite a majority of editors voting to keep. As an admin who voted in the AfD, can you comment on the deletion review? — Omegatron 14:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

STASI and SB

STASI and SB (and probably other such couples, my comment) were obliged to control each other - said Gauck. Przychodziły dyrektywy z Moskwy aby wywiady obu "sojuszniczych" państw kontrolowały się wzajemnie ,oraz inwigilowały opozycję u swych sąsiadów . W związku z tym w "Solidarności" byli nie tylko agenci SB ale też STASI. [5], NZS isn't an academic source, one should read Gauck's original texts, which I don't have.

[6] - Antoni Dudek - Stasi researched the situation in (Polish) party aparat (?) and in SB (...) w konspiracji - secretely. Dudek quotes two books in Polish, edited by the IPN. I don't have those books.

[7] Stasi had at least 500 informers in Poland said Labrenz-Weiss. Rzeczpospolita 5.02.2007


Code name "Joseph" - [8]

[9]

[10] Timothy Garton Ash: AG 4 in division II/9 researched Solidarnosc

There are no summary of Stasi activities in Poland, yet. Xx236 08:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Morning glory (disambiguation)

Please stop reversing items added to Morning glory (disambiguation), you appear to be in a minority of one in relation to this.--GazMan7 09:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Vertep

Updated DYK query On 6 July 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Vertep, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 13:46, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Sosomk

If you decide to supervise S. please study his edit history, his statements of this [11] and this [12] kind, and his general incivility. He certainly will need to be supervised after he returns from the block. Thanks Tamokk 03:19, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Gospadin Mikkalai, I just want to let you know that the first edit was a response to Tamokk's post on my talk page [13] and as for the second one, I did not, in fact, write that. I am sure that you have a sophisticated point of view about different nationalities. For example, Tamokk, being a Tatar, thinks that I am being extremely offensive and if you think that what I said was kind of prejudiced toward Russian people, I apologize. Also, keep in mind what Ghirla says about Georgians. Regards, SosoMK 10:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Btw, thanks a lot, Gaumarjos - in English - Hail to the Victory SosoMK 10:33, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
And since when is Tatar denigrating? Tamokk 03:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
It is not SosoMK 13:21, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanking you for keeping an eye on Tank (disambiguation). It's so much nicer when there are two. Sincerely, Mattisse 04:24, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanking you for keeping an eye on Tank (disambiguation). It's so much nicer when there are two doing the job. Sincerely, Mattisse 04:25, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the double message. Didn't mean to do it. Mattisse 04:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair Use

Hi Mikkalai, on the page U.S. National Dancesport Champions (Professional 9-Dance), this page discusses a group of people (not a dress, object, or event), and the photo illustrated a couple of the people on the list - ballroom dance champions. Isn't this the same as an article about one person, and showing that person's picture? For example, List of World Table Tennis Champions -- Porfitron 05:49, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

A place for advice

Is there a place I can go to ask general advice before doing things when the policy is less than clear(or not in line with practice) about what is allowed? I would prefer this to following the policy and then getting chastised. Until(1 == 2) 17:19, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Japanese POW in the Soviet Union

Updated DYK query On 9 July 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Japanese POW in the Soviet Union, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Still not sure on the article title. It really should work in that it's referring to prisoners from WWII, but I can't figure out how without making it unwieldly. In any case, congratulations! :) GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 22:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Typo in arbitration report

I saw your typo-correction edits to an ArbCom proposed decision as well as in the "Signpost" report about it. I gather that there are two users with names similar to "M.K." or something of that order? Could I ask you to explain exactly what the mistake was so I can make sure that I, and more importantly the arbitrators, don't make it again in the future? Thanks, Newyorkbrad 11:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Status of Category:Official documents by nation

Hi! I noticed that you are the creator of Category:Official documents by nation. Given the specific political definitions of the terms nation (a group with a shared identity) and country (a political/territorial division), I created Category:Official documents by country and moved the contents of the former into the latter. Since the "by nation" category is now redundant (and empty), would you mind tagging it for deletion with {{db-author}}? Thanks in advance, Black Falcon (Talk) 21:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Black Falcon (Talk) 23:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


unblock the page now. All right sbasibo.--Tones benefit 20:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Dear Mikkalai, Sosomk is again edit warring on the article Georgia (country). He restored the POV version of the country's geographic location and reverted the compomise economy section. And again the same nonsense about some political spectrums on the talk page. Tamokk

Vodka

I find your input important at Talk:Vodka. Thanks in advance. --Amir E. Aharoni 22:17, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Georgia (country)

Dear Mikkalai, as you have taken responsibility to supervise Sosomk, who would be blocked now without that, please pay attention to the article. Tamokk 07:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Estophobia

Thanks for nominating Estophobia for deletion. This was a hard fight, but worth it. -- Petri Krohn 10:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I was aware that the number of my ethernal enemies will increase. `'Míkka 16:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Now we need to decide what to do with this and this. WP:POINT? --Ghirla-трёп- 18:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Dance Studio

Assistance required with referencing, please join me in the article discussion if you have 5.


I'm new to all this and tried to put a link to www.geolib.co.uk in the computational geometry section and it was removed. Is there a protocol for doing this that I should know of. Thanks.

answered in User talk:Matt6224.`'Míkka 15:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

That wacky Wikipedia

Nice catch on the Dalian article! The 11 July 2007 edition of the City Paper for Toledo, Ohio ran a short article on the sometimes questionable content on Wikipedia (see That wacky Wikipedia). The edit in question [14] was added by an anonymous editor (the IP address tracks back to China) on July 7, and was removed by you [15] on July 10 ... the day before this particular edition hit news stands. Kudos to you, sir! --Kralizec! (talk) 02:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Than you for categorizing Adolf (drama) :)--Alexia Death 15:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry about that link on the Penal labour article. I agree that it was too much of a stretch. Found a more appropriate spot with Prison education. Notmyrealname 17:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Gleiwitz incident citation

Mikka, I have finished adding inline citations to Gleiwitz incident. Could you add a ref for the Talk:Gleiwitz_incident#Nuremberg_proc._December_20.2C_1945? It would be quite useful. Thx! -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  20:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Would you mind looking at an RFC?

Would you mind looking at an RFC? It is about the WWII in the pacific. Talk:Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II#Request_for_comment_Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II.23Treatment_of_POWs Thanks,--Stor stark7 Talk 21:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


Change of sig

That's right the sig changes were made by me at the user's request. The changes were not practical for the user to make themselves, however their request for me to do it for them is on my talk page, and the changes are all in history, so it seems reasonable. Clearly the user hasn't completely "vanished" per "right to vanish", but its a step in that direction. Rich Farmbrough, 17:54 21 July 2007 (GMT).


guilty

sorry, I did it, I cut and pasted, it was too easy. Good catch, didnt think anyone would ever notice. Would the correct thing have been to just rewrite it in a different way, although it was still the same, just not copied and pasted? Do you have any suggestions or could you show me how to remake the pages using legitimate sources? Granite07 19:58, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Tito-Stalin split

  • Hi, why was that the wrong tag? Sources are sorely lacking from that article, which tag explains that better? Jdcooper 18:08, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

==crows nest]] Someone has already deleted my words from the article in Wikipedia. I read that statement by Abraham Lincoln many years ago when I was a child. I didn't understand that Crow's nest meant "separate State." President Lincoln was viewed as being a more heroic figure 60 years ago than he is today. Schoolchildren were taught the Gettysburg Address in classrooms across the United States (teachers do not do that anymore). Because of the recent service of other men (Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton), President Lincoln has lost much esteem. Remember that John C. Frémont, the first Republican candidate for President 1856, supposed that the arid areas of the Western United States were spacious enough to allow the creation of a separate State for freed slaves. He had explored those areas for many years. President Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation said that former slaves should hang around and "labor faithfully" for reasonable wages. He was not a racial separatist. Velocicaptor 10:50, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Request for Mediation

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Ursul pacalit de vulpe

I need you help reviewing this unblock request.

May I ask where this user resumed edit warring? I see the user has a rename, this was not hidden. But I don't see any sort of recent revert warring that would justify a month block. I see a little revert warring, but no 3RR. Can you explain your reasoning, because it seems a bit excessive. Until(1 == 2) 15:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

AfD's

Thanks for the reality check. Sr13 07:05, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Rein Lang Artificial birthday controversy

I'm just letting you know, that the form you keep altering was created by a neutral admin, Deskana, responding to a OSTR request. All changes/reversions are supposed to go through him.--Alexia Death 17:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

He has approved so its ok.--Alexia Death 17:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Proposed unmerge

You commented in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2007 July 25#Wikipedia community → English Wikipedia. You may therefore be intersted in the discussion in progreaa at Talk:Wikipedia community#Proposing un-merge Your comments would be welcome. Thank you. DES (talk) 20:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

FS (logic) and PQ (logic)

I think you've damaged the AfD I started on FS, and PQ would have different reasons, so should not link to the same place. Furthermore, "pq-system" seems to be in the reference, so it's not exactly a {{hoax}}.

stuff

You ok Mik? There was nothing wrong with your userpages or contributions. wikimail me if u want. --maxrspct ping me 15:13, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Peabody

Thanks for the redirect to the people list. I didn't know of it. Folks at 137 20:43, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Jitterbug

Could you please explain why you reverted my edit about Jitterbug (dance) also referring to Jive? Jitterbug and Jive are used synonymously, such as "They are a group of Lindy Hop and Jive/jitterbug dancers". [16] Jive (one of the 10 ballroom dances) is also a completely different dance from Lindy Hop and East Coast Swing. Your changes have been reverted until you can give a good reason for deleting Jive from the list of dances that Jitterbug can refer to. panda 01:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

My mistake. Replied in User talk:Panda. `'Míkka 01:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

SatyrBot and Logic

Hi, Mikkalai! Thanks for the note on my bot's talk page. A couple comments / questions...

  1. I was approached by Gregbard about adding the {{Logic2}} template to article talk pages. I told him my process for doing projects like that, which is to have the group develop a list of categories that are at least 80% within the project's scope. He told me he'd put together a category list and was waiting a week for feedback. I assumed he was working with the project and that the project would talk things over and let me know. His response was favorable, so we went ahead with his project list.
  2. If the bot has over-tagged a bunch of categories, I'm perfectly willing to get it to remove banners. Just let me know a list of cats and I'll sic the bot on them asap.
  3. Would you prefer I stop the bot from continuing it's run of tonight's 78 categories? They're listed at User:SatyrBot/Current project.

Please let me know how I can be of help. While I feel I was working in good faith and with the project's blessing, I realize that 938 article banners is quite a lot and would be glad to help fix any errors that have happened. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

PS: Should this discussion be carried out at WP:Logic? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Mikka! I do understand that there's a difference between philosophical logic and mathematical logic - and that there's varying degrees of overlap. What I'm wondering now is if/how I can help the situation? Undoing 938 articles is certainly a possibility, but I wonder if maybe that would be overkill (again)?
I've stopped the bot until all this can be worked out.
Thanks -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Can we have this discussion somewhere else? I have publicized on the noticeboard as:
  • Discussion about the fact that the bot has stopped tagging articles due to complaints. Gregbard 05:10, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

some other things to consider

  • There really isn't any problem with having too many projects looking at these. There is a collapsable banner shell for multiple wikiprojects. Also, these aren't being tagged under the wikiproject philosophy at all, just wikiproject logic. Furthermore the WikiProject Logic scope includes mathematical logic. That has been the consensus for a while now. (My goodness I hope so, otherwise all this discussion we've had would be for nothing!! They could have taken their toys and gone home a long time ago! ha!)
  • There are apparently far fewer pages than I thought. There will not be any problem with any massive clean up AT ALL.
Be well, Gregbard 23:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Mikka, there is a sort of straw poll going on in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Logic#Too many logic project boxes regarding this issue. I would appreciate it if you could voice your opinion there. Thanks, --Zvika 07:06, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Media in Romania

The article sounds like a good idea, even though it was created by a banned user. Any problems with the content that was there pre-deletion? MojoTas 02:17, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

  • No, no - not arguing with you, you did absolutely the right thing. Don't give a rats about him, just the information. My question was whether I should pick up where he left off, given that the idea appears valid (even if he's not). MojoTas 02:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Мои поздравления!

http://lenta.ru/news/2007/07/31/venez/ --EugeneZelenko 02:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Phobias

You might want to tone down your accusations in the future.

I have attended a Russian language school for a year, and in later life, been in close contact with various schools' administration. Have you ever attended a Swedish language or Estonian language school? Digwuren 18:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Talkpage vandalism

You have removed a comment left by a third party from my talkpage. Never do this kind of thing again. Digwuren 22:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Explain your comments made in [17]. Digwuren 22:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

oldtalks

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Any messages left here will probably not be unanswered. Article content is to be discussed on article talk pages (You may invite me there if you find my input important).

mikkanarxi 05:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Government_of_the_Autonomous_Republic_of_Abkhazia

Greetings Mikkalai, would you be kind as to have a look at the above article and see if you can contribute your thoughts and or mediate? Basically I see very dubious sources being provided and any tag that I put on that article gets immediately reverted and I get accused of POV. I see the tags as justified. Pocopocopocopoco 03:56, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

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Your acussations...

.. are uncalled for, and impertinent. If you have any complaints about my use of admin privileges, post a complaint at WP:ANI. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 17:44, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Please stop with your baseless assessments of my motives. That is quite disgusting, really. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 22:19, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Look buddy this is not the first time I see you and I judge you from your actions, which I find quite disgusting, really. `'Míkka 22:23, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I am not your "buddy", and before you judge others, take a hard look in the mirror. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Sure thing. You have a tightly knit bunch of buddies who a ready to jump in and defend your arrogance. `'Míkka 02:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello

With Wikipedia, Wikislavia and Metapedia saying about siberian nationalism; there will be no way to stop use. Soon the whole world will know about siberian culture struggle --I have a dream81119

Yeah, about a bunch of whackos. Whatever. `'Míkka 22:27, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Leningrad Affair

Thank you, Míkka, for reminding me about sources and thanks for your attention to my modest edits to Leningrad Affair. Much information is available in these books: Stalin by Edvard Radzinsky, who is now one of THE most reputable authors writing on Russian history, and Stalin: Triumph and Tragedy by Dmitri Volkogonov, who was a ranking general in the Red Army, both lived under Stalin, and had access to top secret archives. Some of many other online sources: Stalin and the Betrayal of Leningrad by John Barber[18], and numerous Russian publications, such as [19], and [20], and a series of related current Russian Krugosvet Encyclopedia articles: [21]. Besides I have my own firsthand experience of many years when I lived there and witnessed facts that are not published anywhere (thanks to my profession as an MD), and probably will not be published for a long time. My brief summary of those Russian publications are just a tip of the iceberg , known as the power struggle between top communists around aging Stalin. Only after Stalin's death, sadly, all victims were rehabilitated. These facts are now available after the collapse of the Soviet Union, when many archives were opened to historians and more publications followed bringing out the truth, which eventually becomes translated and available to the rest of the world. My edits are simply adding to what was stated in the article before my input: Stalin was very hard against Leningrad leaders, he specifically ordered his secret service to "make them look like bad criminals" no matter what the truth was. And that's also how he managed to destroy Zinoviev and others before the war and this Leningrad affair, as it was mentioned in the article before my additions (see Russian Encyclopedia Krugosvet: [22]. Thank you again. Regards,Steveshelokhonov 00:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

PS: I am trying to add the above sources to the article, but the system is rejecting my input. Can you help on this matter? Your attention is appreciated.

Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits/latest

I have recently noticed there is an edit war over your name on the aforementioned list. I have put a comment on the discussion page (see here). I would like to hear your comments about it. --WillMak050389 18:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Myself and two other editors have now voluntarily removed ourselves from the list [23]. I support your actions. --Durin 17:07, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Abkhazia#De_jure_Government_of_Abkhazia

Greetings Mikka, thanks for your continued help with the resolution of the dispute at Government_of_the_Autonomous_Republic_of_Abkhazia. The section above in the Abkhazia article points to the Autonomous article and I have put a {{disputed-section}} tag on it but it keeps getting reverted. What do you suggest? My preference would be if the whole article didn't have to go under protection just because of one section. Pocopocopocopoco 20:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

That is what I use wikipedia for

I have no intention for getting into slanging matches with people I dont know. However why should I have to put up with abuse from your other users. The phonteic hindi messages he wwrites to me on talk which have been locked by you for everyone to see are

Hat Kute lafange... translates as move away dog, jobless fuck,bastard loafer

the line below is when i find you i will kill you

obc other backward class

I dont appreciate being targeted like this and feel I have a right to respond if your gonna keep them up. Anyway thanks for locking the ghosh article

Shivaji Ghosh 89.240.33.134 19:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't feed trolls. If you respond, it means he achieved his goal of infuriating you, i.e., you made him happy. `'Míkka 19:18, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

CSB templates

Hey there.

The bit about reverting is probably good in general, but since CSB templates are placed at page creation, it's not probable.  :-) I don't mind it though. — Coren (talk) 02:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Flash Your Email

I didn't hold our a lot of hope for that article, but I gave the original author the benefit of the doubt. I knew it would need lots of work, as it was basically a document dump. Thanks. Realkyhick 03:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


Marina Diachenko and Sergei Diachenko

An atypical request, but I don't know where Russia requested articles are. Could you check if those authors have a ru wiki article and possibly stub them? Thanks, -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  13:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I tried, but didn't thought of that particular transliteration. A common problem with different alphabets. Thanks again, -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  19:44, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

Ok sorry, you just seem to be interested in Russia so i took you for Russian. I'm just filling this category i've created, Russian Wikipedians. M.V.E.i. 19:46, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Making comments about views based on nationality and canvassing

[24] Such comments aren't helpfull, you shouldn't base views on somebody's nationality(I am a Pole for example and I seldom supported many Polish editors in Lithuania related issues), also it seems like a call for ethnic feud which I hope you didn't intend to. --Molobo 17:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Second. Combined with wheel-warring it is not something I'd have expected from you, Mikka.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  17:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Answered in Talk:Kiev Expedition (1018). `'Míkka 18:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit Warring on Monument of Lihula page

Hello Mikka. Our Estonian friends are busy on Monument of Lihula page trying to deny relevance between (1) mayor of the town being self-admitted Holocaust denier and (2)a monument in the town honouring Nazi collaborators. They use their numeric strength to avoid 3RR, so I'm out of ammo for today. You may want to take a look. RJ CG 19:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

OH! so cute canvassing an admin for your rally. Mikka, please take it up in the talk first, mkay :)--Alexia Death 19:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Whoopsie. Is chasing a bannable offence too? RJ CG 20:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Chasing? You may mean WP:STALK? Yes. But I am not staling stalking you, I watch Mikkas talk page from an older time :) --Alexia Death 20:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

ViArt Shop

Would ViArt Shop be considered spam? I'm not certain. -WarthogDemon 22:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

My sincere thanks

Dear Mikkalai, I would like to take the time to thank you for helping with the issues over at the Ghosh page. I was brought into the issues on the page during RC patrol, and I did attempt to explain the guidelines, but the edit wars continued. I asked for expert assistance on the India project page, but received no response, so I'd just like to thank you for bringing your voice into it (and a much more authoritative one it is, than mine! lol) and for protecting the page. With no knowledge of the subject, as I told the people concerned, I was not able to assist with verification, or references. Until an expert is found who can adopt the article, your solution was not only fair, but helpful, and I just wanted to let you know that I appreciated it very much. Thank you, Ariel♥Gold 02:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Donald Rayfield

Thanks for the article. It was long overdue. Also, I would ask you to consider unlocking Government of the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia in a few days. I think I have reached a compromise with my opponents, at least with those who actually seek it.--KoberTalk 17:47, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Move

WHAT EXACTLY IS WRONG WITH CUT AND PASTE MOVES? OR CORRECTING THE SPELLING AND GRAMMAR OF A PAGE YOU SANCTIMONIOUS BASTARD? IF YOU GET THE REPUBLICE OF IRELAND NAME RIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE I WOULDN'T HAVE TO MOVE IT WOULD I, THE NAME IRELAND DENOTES THE WHOLE ISLAND OF IRELAND INCLUDING THE SIX OCCUPIED COUNTIES TRYING LEARNING SOME HISTORY OR GEOGRAPHY BEFORE JUST BLOCKING PEOPLE AND BRINGING THERE GOOD NAME IN TO DISREPUTE!!!!! I EXPECT A FULL APOLOGY HERE AND ON MY TALK PAGE Capt Jack's Angry Rant 20:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Stanley Hendler

I have declined your request to speedily delete Stanley Hendler, claim of handling the PTL Club's bankruptcy is an assertion of notability. Feel free to nominate it at WP:AFD. Carlossuarez46 21:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

  • I agree, he probably fails WP:N, but unfortunately the criteria for speedy deletion aren't supposed to give much leeway and benefit of these sorts of doubts tend to go at the speedy stage to the article's author rather than the deletion request. At AFD, I have confidence that consensus will be to delete the article. That's why I suggested it. Carlossuarez46 22:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Category:Non-wikipedians who disrupted wikipedia to make a point

I have tagged Category:Non-wikipedians who disrupted wikipedia to make a point for deletion. However, rather than starting a CfD, I first wanted to ask if you would yourself agree to the category's deletion. I think there are several problems with the category that cannot be corrected: (A) It serves no real purpose; disruptive editors should be dealt with via normal channels. (B) It is not well-defined; the definition of who, within the subset of people who have edited Wikipedia, are not Wikipedians is hazy. (C) It gives the impression of being a black-list. (D) It goes against the principle of WP:DENY. — Black Falcon (Talk) 16:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Putting aside for the moment any consideration of the merits of such a list (I haven't thought it through yet, so I've no opinion on the matter), I agree that a list is better than a category in this case. A list gives the opportunity to provide context to check the accuracy of future additions. Cheers, Black Falcon (Talk) 17:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


Your edits in List of terrorist incidents‎

Hi Mikkalai,
with your edit[25] you - probably inadvertently - reverted my edits that completed existing references in totally different paragraphs than the disputed one. Take care to restore those edits, please. -- Túrelio 21:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Lenin on November 1918

The WIEM encyklopedia mentions that the Western Army advanced after Lenin's order on that day. Do you have sources that state there was no such order (or speech)?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  22:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

WIEM encyklopedia is as reliable as any encyclopedia. They might have made a mistake, but that's not common. Per WP:V and WP:RS if they say "X happened", then its likely it did. That we cannot find other proof for it allows us to state its not widely known; we may clarify in text that "source A states that X happened" to make it clear that this and only this source states that, but dismissing this as garbage is reaching OR. I find it quite plausible that there was some order, speech, memo or such text, written by Lenin at that time, telling the troops to go "West" and mentioning Vistula; there were certainly quite a few such orders then. WIEM might have selected one of the less known, and I certainly wouldn't argue that this little known order was of any major significance. But again: a reliable encyclopedia mentions its existsnce, and that we cannot find other source for it doesn't mean they made a mistake.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  00:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Merengue

please take this to the talk page citations show that origin is either from dominican republic or haiti ; but they both lay on hispanola so it is of hispanola origin correct? 64.131.205.111 17:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

See Talk:Merengue `'Míkka 18:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

BushpigsGoneWild

Hi. You might to want to comment on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User names#BushpigsGoneWild. Best, Sandstein 05:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Email

In my best AOL man voice: "You've got mail."  :)   justen   06:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Dunin

I think that if you trace things back far enough, all Poles are related somehow.  :) As for the particular names in my own family tree, I don't recognize that particular Dunin name, no. But you can check the Surnames list here to see if there's anything you recognize? [26] --Elonka 18:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Essay on how 3RR hurts the project and a proposal to fix it.

Hi! I would appreciate it, if you could give me your thoughts on this essay: Accusations of collaboration: 3RR hurts Wikipedia --Alexia Death the Grey 09:08, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jumpswing (2nd nomination)

Since you have edited Swing related articles in Wikipedia, I would like to invite you to the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jumpswing (2nd nomination). panda 15:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

barbarian slaughter against article Foreign relations of Romania

What do you gain from your barbarian slaughter against the article Foreign relations of Romania ? --Cosmin.V 18:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't play the fool guy. Of course it's unreferenced when you delete the references. I asked you what do you gain from massive barbarian slaughter of the article?--Cosmin.V 18:36, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Sock

Hi. You might want to add this one to the Bonnie list. Dahn 11:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

GUST

since you've taken an interest in British student television i thought you could take a look Glasgow University Student Television the basis of its notability is a short newspaper source that in all likelyhood used wiki as it source when each of the these stations created there own bit of advertising, and is now be used a claim to notability yet no other source can be provided for its founding nor that it was ever actually a television station with the ability to broadcast. At present the station broadcasts on the net, like most of the other uk stations. Sherzo 00:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Video Professor

Hello, Mikkalai,

Since you have edited the Video Professor page before, I'd very much appreciate if you get involved in the current discussion of the entry. Your input would be very helpful. Thanks, Nsk92 12:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

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What pages?

Nevermind, I see you have restored at least one of my deletions without bothering to attempt to discuss it with me. If you're looking for a wheel war, you've come to the wrong place. In future, please consult with me before overruling me yourself. You will find that I am willing to discuss matters with an open mind and quite willing to admit when I am wrong. -- But|seriously|folks  04:47, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

It would also have been nice if you had informed me of your report over at WP:AN, refrained from being uncivil and maybe discussed one of the 25 reverts of my administrative actions you've racked up so far. -- But|seriously|folks  04:56, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

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advice

My advice is not to rely on the fact that everyone should know how important IEEE is. Perhaps they should, but the fact is they don't. That the deletions were reckless & e should have checked is the better approach. DGG (talk) 22:15, 26 August 2007 (UTC) Please do not get angry at people who are trying to help. I've had problems with that ed. also. But unfortunately for us science types to expect that others recognize our stuff as important does not work all that well. DGG (talk) 22:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

CSD Stuff and advice

First, let me say that I'm sympathetic to the situation you've faced. I just don't agree with your proposed solution, and that's my prerogative. Repeating your arguments to a small group of people isn't likely to help people hear your points, nor to garner sympathy. I would advise a few things:

  1. It can be worthwhile to wait for more people to see the discussion and comment. It's likely that some will be sympathetic.
  2. If people seem to be misunderstanding you, repeating yourself doesn't tend to help. Try to clarify, rather than repeat. For example, the question of being "one incident" - I was referring to the whole collection of IEEE-related deletions as a single incident, as it involved one admin and all happened pretty much at once. If you say that it's more than one incident because it's more than one page, then we're talking at cross-purposes and need to clarify that in order to have a productive discussion.
  3. Please try to keep WP:COOL. No-one is suggesting that what the admin did with the IEEE articles is right (that I've seen on WT:CSD at any rate).

Chin up, keep cool, and have patience. It's perfectly possible that someone will come up with some sort of edit that does help, entirely because you brought it up. Try to work with the views and information that other people give you. And don't let the bastards (meaning whoever you think it should mean) get you down. SamBC(talk) 18:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

IMDB

Are you the Shelokhonov? If yes, can you consider "donating" these articles to wikipedia? many of them, e.g., about Vadim Abdrashitov are quite poor in wikipedia, andd some are missing. If it too much hassle for you to import them into wikipedia, I will gladly do it for you. `'Míkka 17:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome, Mikka, go ahead. I've donated several of my IMDb articles to wikipedia already, albeit some users deleted my donations (some even accused me of copyvio! funny). I'd give a fresh treatment to some texts and a new layout, like I did to articles about Lavrov (nice man), Basilashvili (whom I also met), Dikiy (whom I'll meet later), Oleg Borisov (genius), Ekster, and other IMDb material. Someone deleted my donated IMDb article about Georgy Zhzhonov (I knew the man, he worked with my dad, so the material has some authentic feel) can that be restored? One chick from MA first destroyed, then agreed to restore part of the article about my father, but the history was lost - can you restore that history? Regards, Steveshelokhonov 18:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Please give me the list of deleted article titles, and I will see what I can do (but as you know, I have to have external references) `'Míkka 19:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your kindness, Mikka.

1. Article Petr Shelokhonov was deleted by Chick Bowen with all history and references, then, after my third letter [27], it was restored as User:Steveshelokhonov/Petr, albeit without history for May and June, bad surprise. I restored references and expanded bio. Now I'd like to have the history to the article, uninterrupted from May 28 on, to be restored too, for the sake of justice and diligence! (It is considered immoral to delete or disrupt the attention to people who are now defenceless in their grave).

2. Article Georgiy Zhzhonov - I contributed my IMDb bio for Zhzhonov (with updates and with a new layout), albeit it was deleted too. I'll be happy to donate to Wikipedia all my original bios, which I previously donated to IMDb. After a minimal update of text and layout, there should be no copyvio problem in reality (except for problems in some minds). I am ready to participate in updates and further edits of my original biographies donated to Wikpedia; I consider all copyvio accusations simply manipulative and ill-minded. File sharing with the full permission from the original author is normal practice. My biographies from IMDb are now found at many sites, and I welcome such freedom of information. Your idea is good, and your help is highly appreciated. Regards, Steveshelokhonov 20:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Nick Bussey

No, the article was going to get deleted anyway from the AFD. I was commenting about this stupid guideline that led to the AFD in the first place. ugen64 19:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


Klein bottle cutting

Please see Talk:Klein_bottle#Cutting_and_making_Klein_bottles. --CiaPan 08:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Amanda

I just noticed this. Can you give me the link to the page where the consensus was reached not to list people unless known by their first name. There are multiple articles like that and they need to be fixed and it's easier if a consensus can be pointed to. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 16:07, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I follow up there. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 18:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again. Did you see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Given names or surnames? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 18:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation#First_names. Chris the speller 21:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Undeletion?

I just found out about your undeletion of Neapolitan Wikipedia (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs). I must say, I find it in rather bad taste that you undeleted this article without consulting me first. And also, meeting WP:WEB item 3 (which it may or may not, I don't actually agree that being a Wikipedia inherently makes it notable) does not change the fact that it also met CSD A7. It simply *does not* assert any sort of notability at all. Looking to hear from you, ^demon[omg plz] 21:21, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

It says nothing in WP:WEB about asserting notability. Assertions of notability must be made, independent of the web guideline. A7 still must be met. Where is the assertion of notability in the article? ^demon[omg plz] 21:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

This discussion should have happened before the article was restored, regardless of who is right. Contacting the deleting admin before undeleting is a simple courtesy. — Carl (CBM · talk) 21:36, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Contacting the author of deleted article is even more important courtesy, since deletion is a destructive action and the author is not a random vandal or promotion pusher. The only cortesy I will give to aggressive deletionists is Wikipedia Butcher's Shuriken. `'Míkka 21:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Yoga poll

Hi! There's some discussion on whether using "asana", "yogasana" or "yoga asana" as the article title. If you are acquainted with the subject, you are invited to drop your opinion at Talk:Yogasana#Opinion Poll on this article's name. Davin7 10:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Earth Return Vehicle MEL

Hi, Mikkalai. I'm curious as to your source for the masses contained in the MEL for the Mars Direct mission as they vary slightly from my list. Thank you! Axda0002 14:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the confusion, Mikka. You were the most recent contributor to that section, so you're the first one I messaged ;) I found the source I was looking for, so that issue is all cleared up. By the way, MEL stands for Mass Equipment List in the incarnation to which I was referring. Axda0002 17:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)