Talk:Mikoyan Project 1.44

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Started 29 Aug 2004 by Tin_soldier

Unfortunately, this aircraft will never actually get anywhere. I'm quite dissappointed at this.

There isn't even a page on the Russian wikipedia (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAK_FA shows the dead link to Микоян 1.44)Somedumbyankee (talk) 02:32, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Contents 1 V-tail or twin tail? 2 Weight 3 ID 4 Recent news story 5 Question 6 MiG-25/MiG-31? 7 Plasma stealth? 8 Mig-35 has nothing to do with Mig-29OVT 9 Shafaq really comparable? 10 Mere stub. 11 Error in the image 12 WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

[edit] V-tail or twin tail?

I changed the description from V-tail to twin tail after checking to see what constitutes a V-tail. It seems that the fins on this craft (given their nearly-vertical orientation) can't significantly substitute for elevators (which is what the canards do). So I classify them as twins. --Paul Richter 16:57, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

You're right, that's a twin-tail. A V-tail is what aircraft such as the F-117 and Beechcraft Bonanza V-tail models have. Impi 10:24, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Weight

In Description it says "35-ton aircraft", while Specification gives a takeoff maximum of 20000 kg. Which one is in error, and by how much?

[edit] ID

Is the 1.42/1.44 correct? I'm thinking it should be I.42/44, per I-270. Correction? Trekphiler 00:27, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

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Speed

You also said this aircraft is faster than the F-22. How do you know this when the F-22's top speed is classified and the other page on wikipedia about the Raptor says it can go Mach 2.5+.

The Raptor's engines are limited in their output, in a (successful) effort to reduce it's heat signature, thus giving IR missiles a harder time when searching for a heat source. With the Raptor now in full serial production and as it has been in squadron service now for around half a year, we know it's maximum (governed) speed is around Mach 2.0. However, we also know that the maximum thrust produced by the F-119 engines is equal to the maximum thrust provided by two F-4 Phantom IIs, which implies (given that the Raptor is more aerodynamic and lighter than the Phantom) that it is capable of moving much faster, if necessary.

Alright, so we know why the F-22 doesn't go faster. Anyone know why this thing doesn't go faster? With a combined thrust higher than an X-15, it certainly seems like it should be going faster. Airframe limitations? ASWilson 03:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Easily - the F-22 engine is F-119-100 with 158000 кгс. The MiG 1.44 engine is AL-41F (АЛ-41Ф) with 21000 кгс. Now try to convert what is кгс.

[edit] Recent news story

LWF, for some reason, you have removed a link to today's (8/18/06) news story that quotes Russian Air Force commander saying that MIG, in addition to participating in the PAK FA project (which he called a "medium" plane), is also working on a new light fighter. I think this news story is relevant to this article and I put it back. Profhobby 02:22, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Question

I'm a little confused with about MIG-35/MG 1.44 in the Design sequence section because there is a page on MIG-35. And according to http://www.warfare.ru/?lang=&catid=255&linkid=1608 (Russian Military Analysis) MIG-35/MIG 1.44 is MIG-39/1.42 MFI and I'm a little confuse.

Model numbers are only assigned when the airplane is ready for serial production. The airplane described in this article was just a technology demonstrator, a test bed for for the future Russian fifth-generation fighter. Therefore, it was never assigned a model number, but instead remained a "project" number 1.44. MIG-35 model number seems to be used by the MIG corporation to market its latest variant of the MIG-29. Profhobby 19:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MiG-25/MiG-31?

How exactly is this plane a related development to the MiG-25/31 series? PolarisSLBM 04:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plasma stealth?

Removed sentence on account of vagueness and weasel-wordiness. Who believes this? Intelligence agencies and Jane's Information Group are trustworthy sources, the guy in the corner wearing a tinfoil hat is not. But the sentence's construction doesn't give any cues as to who it's believed by, so out it goes. Iceberg3k 15:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mig-35 has nothing to do with Mig-29OVT

MiG corporation had their first official international Mig-35 presentation during the Air India 2007. Apparently Mig-35 is a further development of the previous Mig-29M. Mig-29OVT is related, however a rather independent project as a thrust vector engine demonstrator. ChowHui 03:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shafaq really comparable?

Under comparable aircraft, the article lists the Shafaq. I don't see how the Shafaq is comparable to MiG 1.44. The Shafaq is a subsonic trainer jet in the same class as the Golden Eagle and the Alpha Jet. Entirely different sort of plane. Unless someone has a good reason, this really needs to be fixed.

No, I don't think so, just for the fact that Mikoyan 1.44 can reach MACH 2.6 and Shafaq MACH 1. --Eurocopter tigre 21:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mere stub.

Article has no photo and no 3-view drawing, even though the Mig-144 is an actual flying aircraft, not just a concept. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.131.210.162 (talk) 08:14, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Error in the image

Compare http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXuSOdl6K3w&feature=related

The intakes are squared off in the video, but the picture has them as rounded. Not sure if anyone cares.Somedumbyankee (talk) 02:20, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 17:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)