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[edit] Requested move to Mikoyan

This page needs to be moved to Mikoyan, to reflect the name that the bureau has had for decades. Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 17:48, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Support —Michael Z. 2005-09-21 20:43 Z
  • support --Irpen 23:04, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
  • no -- the bureau name was OKB-155. Period. MiG (which is short for Mikoyan-i-Gurevich, where i is "and" in russian) is the name prefix for aircraft designed by the OKB and entered service. Like in MiG-21. --jno 11:47, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

I won't edit this page, since i'm not in the "maintenance" team, but please note that parallel between fictional MiG-31 Firefox and real world MiG-31 Foxhound is flawed. MiG-31's radar set is not NATO designated "Fox Fire", it's designated "Flash Dance". MiG-25's radar set is "Fox Fire". Zb10948 06:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

"No" to what? "No," as in you want it to stay Mikoyan-Gurevich, "no," as in you want it to be OKB-155, or "no," as in you're being obstinant? Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 13:00, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

"No" to move to mere Mikoyan. Names like Mikoyan-Gurevich, MiG (the current company name is RSK MiG), and OKB-155 have some meaning while simple Mikoyan is a source of possible mess (his brother was a famous politician is exUSSR, for instance).--jno 12:02, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Mikoyan-Gurevich is inaccurate, MiG is inconsistent with the naming of other OKBs, same with OKB-155. I think Mikoyan is the best choice, but if we have to, we can call it Mikoyan (company) or Mikoyan (design bureau) or something olike that. Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 14:44, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, folks. I don't understand why is it "inaccurate" and/or "inconsistent". I'm a russian fun of aviation history and dont know of western naming traditions. All the "proper" (not too popular) russian-language books refer to any design bureau or production facility by their "numbers", except of some R&D institutions ("NII"s). Yes, Gurevich is mostly known for his missiles as the head of OKB-155-2. But his name was and is the part of OKB name. I believe, it's a sort of "popular vs scientific" (of "physics vs lyrics", if you want ;-) discussion. --jno 09:45, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
It's inaccurate because the company/design bureau is officially named "Mikoyan," and has been so named for thirty-three years. The inconsistency would be in that we don't name the article for Sukhoi "Su", and we don't name the article for Ilyushin "Il." Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 16:41, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
Oh, my God...
  • 8 December 1939 - experimental design division of Moscow plant No1 (Опытно-конструкторский отдел (ОКО) завода №1 (Москва))
  • October 1941 - experimental design division of Kuybyshev plant No1 (Опытно-конструкторский отдел (ОКО) завода №1 (Куйбышев))
  • March 1942 - design bureau of experimental plant No155 (OKB-155) (опытный завод №155 (ОКБ-155))
  • 1966 - Moscow mechanical plant "Zenith" (ММЗ «Зенит»)
  • 1971- MMZ "Zenith" named after A.I.Mikoyan (ММЗ «Зенит» им. А.И.Микояна) sic! it was. i'm a fool.
  • 1978 - MMZ named after A.I.Mikoyan (ММЗ им. А.И.Микояна)
  • since 1990s - ANPK "MiG" (АНПК «МиГ»)
  • December 1999 - RSK "MiG" (РСК «МИГ»)
Yes, it was named after Mikoyan. Just because Artem Ivanovich dead before Mikhael Iosifovich. Not 33 years, but long enough. Hence, you have all rights to rename. --jno 07:57, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
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"...while simple Mikoyan is a source of possible mess" If this article is renamed Mikoyan, the current standard disambiguation set-up handles it nicely. —Michael Z. 2005-09-28 15:15 Z
That's ok. --jno 09:45, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
BTW, how about to, say, move "Blum und Voss" (German industrial company) to mere "Blum"? What is the common practice in such a name reduction? --jno 15:32, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
Blohm + Voss did not change their name, though. In this case, it's the same as FedEx Corp. becoming FDX Corporation and then changing their name again. Other than that, I'm not sure I understand your question. Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 16:41, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discision

Page moved. Ryan Norton T | @ | C 01:39, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] MiG-29 Fulcrum comparable to F-15?

This looks like a major flop to me. The MiG-29 Fulcrum wasn't intended as a BVR fighter or interceptor, and definitely isn't comparable to either the F-15 Eagle or the F-18 Hornet. Going by role, the Fulcrum is a modern-era dogfighter, comparable to the F-16 Falcon, and the article should really reflect that, unless the comparison was based on shape only (twin vertical stabilizers and dual engines), but that's usually the less important part. However, I will not edit the article until someone can prove or disprove this. Stealth 08:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

You are right. But I'll avoid to edit as well - my level of english does not allow me to engage folks into a real flame. Hence, we have to wait for a real english-speaker to edit this. ;-) --jno 09:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
The MiG-29 is generally considered comparable to the F-16 and F/A-18 (which are comparable to each other); it is not comparable to the F-15. Askari Mark (Talk) 00:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mig-13

The mig-13 page directs here MiG I-250 (N). The page states that the I-250 never entered service and never passed its trials, which, I would argue, put it into the experimental section. Crocodilicus 22:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] in video games

MiGs appear in computer games like command and conquer generals, and red alert 2 yuri's revenge so shouldn't that be added as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.199.43 (talk) 01:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

That should be added to the article of the aircraft that appears, but please only insert notable video game references. JetLover (talk) (Report a mistake) 01:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)