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I wrote a page as Mikail Sankofa. Omitting the apostrophe in his name. This was a mistake, and not knowing how to change the pahe name, copied the information, and moved it to this page. Currently, there is not much information here, however, I intend to find more and place it up soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mizowe (talk • contribs) 03:52, 6 May 2007

[edit] Article lacks WP:A to establish WP:BIO

Wikipedia articles must be based on reliable sources to establish notability, and the author has not provided any ... without them, this is just original research, which is prohibited by official policy.

See Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and Wikipedia:Notability (people) for further information. —72.75.73.158 04:33, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Corrections

Were the sources I'd added for citations not good enough?

The information from the Stevens Ducks website and Peter Westbrook foundation would have been grounded in fact, and I doubt that they could be considered unreliable.

However, if that is the case, I'll try to find more verifiable information, like the New York Times article he was in.

Also, as to whether or not this subject satisfies notability guidelines: the notability guidelines state that for athletes that "...have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming and tennis," would guarantee a degree of notability. As can be noted, Sankofa played at the pinnacle of fencing sport, playing in the Olympics, national and international competitions, and was even inducted into the Fencing Hall of Fame. In addition, he was a cofounder and head coach of a charitable program.

For example, take Giorgio Santelli. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mizower (talk • contribs) 16:27, 6 May 2007

Yeah, it's looking Much Better now ... I've reformatted the citations using the {{cite web}} template, and used <ref name=USFA> to handle the duplicate citation to the same site ... you did good trying to duplicate the formatting done by the template, but the way you had set up the page you had explicitly numbered the references, and that makes adding new ones a problem if the sequence changes ... you also had each link in two places on the page. :-)
And that Giorgio Santelli article was created in 2005 ... we're a little more anal about WP:BIO on new articles these days, and I may have been a little over-eager at your first attempt ... anywho, if you'll take the time to find the facts, then I'll take the time to make 'em pretty using the style templates. Happy Editing! —68.239.79.82 00:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion re: "Maestro"

Hi,Mizower ... I don't think that the honorific Maestro will be allowed ... there's some style guides linked to WP:BLP ... check them put ... I know that the subject's name is supposed to be in bold, like Maestro Mika'il Sankofa.

OTOH, Helen Mirren is Dame Helen Mirren, DBE, although not in italics ... I seem to recall that they removed the "Dr." from Isaac Asimov because in was a "Ph.D.", not an "MD" ... Bill Cosby is listed as William Henry "Bill" Cosby, Jr., Ed.D. (he used the Fat Albert cartoons as part of completing his Doctorate in Education.)

IMHO, a lot of people will think that Maestro is Mika'il's first name.

BTW, Jimmy Carter is James Earl "Jimmy" Carter, Jr., but I always refer to him in conversation as simply James Earl Carter, Ph.D. ... he has a Doctorate in Nuclear Engineering from the Naval Postgraduate School, something about "portable" nuclear reactors for nuclear aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines. —68.239.79.82 21:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About the Maestro

Hi,

I understand where the correction comes from, however, much like one adds Dr. to their name when they've received an MD, Maestro is added to ones name when they've became a licensed trainer for the three fencing weapons. It comes with a degree as well, though I don't know the exact title of said degree.

The reason I had placed it in front of his name initially, and in italics, is because the Giorgio Santelli article used the Maestro title in italics before the name.

It's my opinion that the title should stay, and it should be placed in italics and not bolded. I'd hope people would not confuse it as his first name since the title of the overall page is directly above the name, and would be in bold. --Mizower 23:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I freely admit my ignorance about that subject ... I'm going to change at least one of your {{cite web}} to a {{cite news}} and add the article's author, etc., but that's about the extent of my WP:GNOME interest in this article ... I may raise questions for which I don't have the answers, but about which other editors both know and care more than I do ... put an italicized Maestro back in his name, and we'll see what happens. —68.239.79.82 23:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Maestro per MOS

While researching the use of a title for the introduction of another article, I came across Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Academic titles, which states:

Academic and professional titles (such as "Doctor" or "Professor") should not be used before the name in the initial sentence or in other uses of the person's name.

Consequently, I have removed Maestro from Sankofa's name in this article ... sorry about that, but at least now we have the definitive answer that we didn't a few weeks ago. :-) —72.75.70.147 (talk · contribs) 22:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)