Talk:MiG Alley

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[edit] need photos and map

This article needs a photo of a MiG-15 and an F-86. A map showing the area and important airbases would also be helpful. --Jtir 23:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

The map and photos do a lot for the article. However, I don't understand why a MiG-15 with Polish markings is shown. Did such airplanes fly in MiG Alley, or is this photo showing the same type of airplane because a photo with authentic markings is not available? In either case, the caption should be changed to clarify the photo.
--Jtir 18:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

I added two categories to the article since it had none. Korean War and Korean War Aircraft. I didn't think that it would fit under Battles of the Korean War, which is why I put it under the main Korean War category. 198.140.4.205 01:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Soviet technical inferiority?

"The MiGs, by contrast, tended to mimic the tactics used by the Soviets in World War II of attacking in large groups, hoping to make up in numbers what they lacked in training, experience and technology."

I will not comment on training and experience. Technically however, the Soviet MiG-15 was superior to anything the US and UN could field. Only the F-86 comes close, esp. with the better gunsight, but still is overall slightly inferior with lower thrust to weight, lower rate of climb, lower accelleration and lower service ceiling. I can live with both being considered technically on par (although like I mentioned I still consider the MiG superior), but the MiG is definetly NOT inferior.84.152.92.78 15:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I would not agree about the tactics either. The Chinese were there to train (hence restricting themselves mainly to fighter-bommer attacks), the the Soviets (especially from the 191st & 176th IAP) provided to very inventive in working to the strengths of their machines. J. E. Johnson's (an RAF ex-change pilot flying in Korean) said they had "come a long way" since WWII and described similarites to the Luftwaffen. Tactics is mainly about using strength of equipment to better an equal and while the early and late parts of the air war were mared for the Soviets by inexperienced aviation groups the bulk of the fighting from '50-'52 was conducted by experienced crews and as Johnson noted to be complacent about their technology and ability could be deadly. The RAF really never believed the figures that the FEAF was coming out with in Korean anyway and saw them as inflated. I think the figures from the Russian archives (which i beleve also are overclaimed, Pepelyev himself noted this) seem to back up the accertion.

In terms of this general understanding i think this section needs a serious rework - it would be very useful to document all points of view here and then let the reader decide.


[edit] A very poor article

This article is quite innaccurate. Here is a page that might help improve it:[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.137.121.170 (talk) 20:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Could you be more specific about inaccuracies? --Jtir (talk) 21:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
For instance the first report of Migs was not from F-80s but from a F-51 Mustang unit that came under fire of "Swept wing aircraft" - the date is also wrong. The first jet-to jet victory is completely false, read the article i linked. I don't have time to name them all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.137.121.94 (talk) 18:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your specific comments. If this is the sentence you mean, it refers to the P-80, not the F-80, although I see from the articles that they are essentially the same.
The cited source is:
  • Boyne, Walter, Col., Retired USAF,Korea, SAC, and ICBMs, 1997, Military Channel, aired 15 Dec 2007, 7:00-8:00pm, MST.
Do you know anything about this source?
I can't find the phrase "Swept wing aircraft" in the article you are citing.
I have tagged the sentence about the downing of the first MiG-15 by the 4th FIW with {{fact}}.
Please consider registering. It sounds like you have an interest in the subject and it would be helpful to have your perspective.
--Jtir (talk) 23:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 15:24, 16 May 2008 (UTC)