Talk:Midnight Syndicate

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[edit] Suggested changes

I am barred from editing this article due to an unfortunate decision by the Arbitration Committee. However, I am welcome to make suggestions on the talk page, so here I go –

• J Milburn suggested that the band’s logo would be more appropriate in the infobox and the image currently there could be moved into the body of the article as it’s indicative of the image the band has created for itself. I’ve uploaded the logo here if anyone would like to replace the image in the infobox. Moving the band photo to the body will be somewhat more difficult. To quote J Milburn, someone needs to “write a sourced section (just a couple of lines, and it needn't have its own heading) about the imagery, and stick this image inline next to it.”

• An editor recently deleted the image of “The 13th Hour” CD cover from the discography section. Since no explanation was given for this in the edit description, I can only assume it was inadvertent. If someone could put it back in, that would be great. Here is the way the image was in the article before - Image:13th_hour_cd_cover.jpg|thumb|right|The 13th Hour album cover

I would greatly appreciate it if someone could help me out with this. Thanks! - Skinny McGee 18:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't do much with images myself, but to help move this forward, with regard to your first point, why don't you post here a draft of "the sourced section about the image" for neutral editors to review. With regard to your second point, leave a message on the talkpage of the person who made the edit you think was inadvertent. Unless they give a reason that things should stay as they are now, we'll make the change. How's that? Newyorkbrad 18:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. As far as incorporating the current infobox image into the body of the article, I'll try to put something together for others to review. Also, I posted a message on Ebonyskye's talk page as you suggested to find out why the album cover was deleted from the discography section. - Skinny McGee 19:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

One possible solution is if you created a draft version in your user space and then linked to it from here to request comment and input. Just to be sure the gesture doesn't get misconstrued, be sure to add a template disclaimer to state that your draft version is not an actual Wikipedia article. Best wishes. Durova^Charge! 15:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

A reply to this is on my talk page but here's a copy... Per the music guidelines, the CD cover belongs on the album's page, not the band page. I noticed another editor previously removed the other albums you had there, and that last one was probably just an oversight as it was further down the page. I am looking into templates to do some album pages when I have a few moments. Ebonyskye 19:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Per WP:FUC "Significance. Non-free content contributes significantly to an article (e.g., it identifies the subject of an article, or illustrates specific, relevant points or sections in the text)" As a result, the album cover in the discography section is OK here. Rklawton 19:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Um. Or at least it would be OK if this section had something in it more than just the title of the album. Rklawton 19:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I believe there's a specific policy about non-free album covers, though, that says that they should only be used to illustrate the article about the specific album rather than the group as a whole. If anyone is in doubt I can try to find a link. Newyorkbrad 19:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I was under the impression from what RKLawton said that if, in addition to my other assignment, I worked on brief descriptions of the albums to be included in the article then we could add the album covers. However, you don't seem to share that view, Newyorkbrad, so perhaps it would be helpful if you could find that link. Thanks, Skinny McGee 20:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I have placed the logo in the infobox- I wasn't sure whether to put it in the place of the bands title, as is the case with stylised notation of the band name, or whether to place it in as an image. I stuck it in as an image, but feel free to change that if you do not agree. As for the matter of album covers- sticking the cover of every album they have ever done into a table or alongside a list would not be acceptable, but album covers for albums discussed in the text (especially if the cover itself is mentioned) would be fine, so long as a decent fair use rationale was placed on the image page. Take a look at our featured articles- Slayer, for instance, contains a couple of album covers for the more significant albums, which are discussed in the text, and some to show the controversy surrounding the particular covers. On the other hand, something like this edit to Black Tape For A Blue Girl, for instance, would be unacceptable. J Milburn 12:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] album titles (album) format

I noticed on other band pages that the wiki links for album titles are pipelined with the word album in perens after the title... title of album (album)|title... like so. I was thinking that this should be the format used here as well. It's only used on one or two albums so far. Ebonyskye 04:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)