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Contents 1 Comments 1.1 Cultural impact? 1.2 Could read better 1.3 Copyvio 1.4 Evisceration of article 1.5 Valley of the wolves - Iraq 1.6 Removed the following segment 1.7 dishonest film 1.8 Suggestion of arrangement 1.9 Whitelisting 1.10 Category added 1.11 Firecom 1.12 Deleted headlines 1.13 Fair use rationale for Image:Midnight express.jpg

[edit] Comments

[edit] Cultural impact?

Anyone want to consider putting something in here about the cultural impact of the film, i.e. the Turks regard it as the worst catastrophe ever in Turkish-U.S. relations? 209.149.235.254 20:15, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I guess the impact of this film is that people view Turks as how they were potrayed in the movie and for the Turks they became very defensive and nationalist.I guess this film just added to the list of stereotypes and jokes of Turks

[edit] Could read better

While an interesting article, it doesn't really read like an encyclopedia entry. Would the person who wrote it, since it looks like a personal piece, like to alter this, or would they like it cleaned up by others?

In fact, may I suggest reverting to the 3rd July form, which still includes many of your points but very briefly, and working on the details you want to add here, on this 'talk' page, where people can advise how to shape it as an encyclopedia-style article? vv

Hi everybody. Feel free to alter the article. But do not simply erase it. In my opinion it is very good, it perfectly shows the difference between the movie and the book.

I would be going to edit it. Think it's a good article, still, arguments should be stated "Some say ..." or "Turkish argue ..." or "Critics say ...", but not "It's obvious that ...". Also would I cut some things like that passage stating that Hayes was a drug user. So what? So many people do, I wouldn't say they're all criminals... anyone strongly disagree? --JensLang 04:33, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

This article is very far from being acceptable in its current state. The book/movie comparisons don't need to be anywhere near so exhaustive, and the personal style (e.g. "No comments here" and "We see that") needs to go. Saforrest 06:31, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

I do strongly disagree with the claim that all drug users are not criminals.--Damifb 14:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio

Did the WP contributor copy from http://www.tetedeturc.com/Midnight-express/intro-ME_anglais.htm#Le%20film or is it the converse? As the en.wp article cites the FR translation of a book, I'm afraid it has been plagiarized from there. Apokrif 21:26, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Evisceration of article

After cleaning up some of the more egregious Turkish rants on this page, the basic summary of the film has now even been taken down. Wikipedia is not an appropriate forum for discussing the substantive merits of the film; the article should contain, at most, a summary of the plot points, and a mention that the film is controversial in Turkey. (A discussion of the Greek colonels' attempt to annex Cyprus, for example, is totally beyond the appropriate scope of this article.) Unfortunately, certain members with axes to grind are making this difficult. I suspect that the article ought to be reduced to "Mostly Harmless" so that everyone is happy.

[edit] Valley of the wolves - Iraq

Valley of the Wolves Iraq is now sometimes presented as "return" for Midnight Express. Alex1011 07:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed the following segment

• In the movie insults are aimed at Turks as a people that do not occur in the book and which the screen writer Oliver Stone later apologized for. They reach a paroxysm when the Hayes character, learning of his life sentence, pronounces violent abuse on the country, shocking many Turks, but understandable in the context of the film.

Uh, have you read the book? Hayes spends much of it bashing the Turks as a whole, calling them animals, filthy, bestial, etc. It is not a positive portrayal and Hayes comes across as a racist, arrogant jackass.

Try spending years in a Turkish prison and see how you turn out!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.149.236.86 (talk) 09:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

Have you?? (Tylose 18:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] dishonest film

The film was entertaining but dishonest. When he escaped, his sentence had been reduced by a series of amnesties. He might've been out in a year or two anyway. He never called the Turks "pigs." Apologies are in order to Turkey. That said, I won't hold my breath waiting for an apology for "Valley of the Wolves"....

  68.8.166.237 04:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

İf writers of "Valley of the Wolves" follow the example of Oliver Stone, you can expect an apology in next 25 years:) Isatay 16:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion of arrangement

Interviews, errors etc. could all be merged into a single "Criticisms" title. (Tylose 16:36, 19 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Whitelisting

In early March, Outrate.net was blacklisted for adding too many links to Wikipedia, which represented a COI according to Wikipedia policies. But this has meant that a number of valid Outrate.net links were automatically removed.

Our lengthy interview with Billy Hayes (Aug 05) was removed from the Interviews and External Links section of your Billy Hayes page. The deep link to the interview is here: outrate.net/billyhayes.html

I believe you are able to replace this link, if you would like to. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.253.33.127 (talk) 23:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Category added

As the introduction to the description properly mentions the movie unnecessarily portrayed Turks in negative picture, and this even came under criticism of Bill Hayes himself. So the new category was added to the movie as it did indeed incite anti-Turkish sentiments. Atabek 23:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Firecom

I deleted some headlines in the article, due to turkish vandalism/ propoganda. This is a page for the midnight express movie -not your own personal views. Exmpl: See the Midnight Express (Book) page's Discussion board. That page have been vandalized by a turkish user.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Firecom (talk • contribs)

Firecom, they are not the Turkish view, they are the author's, director's, producer's views. Please do not arbitrarily accuse people of vandalism. There is one thing true though, removing sourced, relevant content is usually considered vandalism. Please refrain from doing so. Please also read the talk header above. Also, when you make reverts, please mention that. That's a good practise. If you want to revert an edit, you don't need to redo the edits, just use the 'undo' link, it will be time saving, and won't clutter the history page. If you need help, you can ask me, I am not an old editor, but I might be helpful. Since I am on vacation now, I might not be able to respond your queries swiftly though, sorry about that. Deniz^T_C 17:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Deniz, why is 'someone' deleting my writing under the headline 'filming location'. The turkish government did not give license to film the movie in Turkey. That's the true!

-Have a nice holiday, in Turkey! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firecom (talk • contribs)

Firecom, do you have sources that prove that the crew asked to use locations in Turkey and got rejected. Anyway, please do not remove relevant information any more. Also regarding your comments below, yes the youtube links are relevant because the review is about the movie. Unfortunately these are not the only things that you removed. You are behaving like a single purpose editor, please stop doing that, that is not a good start. Last thing, if you want to sign your comments, you can type 4 tildas (~ ~ ~ ~, no blank spaces). Deniz^T_C 19:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Firecom 23:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)Okay then. Why do you delete the lines i wrote, about the movie review, from Channel 4 UK? Also, the review's are not OBJECTIVE. Do you really understand, what that line means? OBJECTIVE. Sorry to say, not a thing you explore in Turkey, after my POV.

[edit] Deleted headlines

I deleted some external links, they are not relevant for the movie (youtube links). I also deleted the 'Review' section. It's not very objective.

Billy Hayes interviewed. Isn't that a headline in Billy Hayes Biography -not the movie?

Squam 07:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC) I kindly disagree. The interview is about the movie. I put the link back as a reference.

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Midnight express.jpg

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