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[edit] sanity

I've heard that Mickey Rooney is "batshit crazy." Now don't get after me, I remember hearing this from somewhere. Just wondering about the validity of this pronouncement. --152.117.244.213 02:14, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] name origin

It appears that Mickey Mouse was named after 'Mickey McGuire'. Rooney said just that on The Late Late Show a few weeks ago. -- Kwekubo 16:11, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

It's not actually true; it's an urban legend started by Rooney himself. Walt Disney's wife Lillian Disney was the one who named the mouse. --b. Touch 15:58, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

If he had his name legally changed, this article should refer to him as "Mickey Rooney, born Joseph Yule, Jr." Changing this. —Home Row Keysplurge 17:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christian Science?

Is there some particular reason why he is listed under the Christian Science Category? ~2-4-06

There is this, which says he's a Christian Scientist. However I don't see much in the way of confirmation, not even at the IMDB, so I'll remove it for now.--T. Anthony 10:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Currently touring the unitked kingdom with his one man and one woman show appearing at the Shrewsbury musical hall on saturday.

[edit] Filmography

I noticed that "Andy Hardy Meets Debutante" isn't mentionned, but I wasn't sure about the year it was made. I went to check on imdb.com and looked at the HUUUUGE list of movies he has made. 305 movies! this is insane. We can't import that list here, and an incomplete list shouldn't be displayed.

That being said, I feel we should replace the current list with a link to http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001682/. Lyverbe 16:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

The beginning of the article seems a little editorialized, I'm going to clean it up.--DavidFuzznut 10:14, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Career lifespan

--> Rooney began performing at the age of 17 months hunh?

According to his autobiography "Life is too short", he was hiding on the stage where his parents were performing when he sneezed. His parents found him and took him from his hiding place. The crowd loved him and the 'manager' decided to keep him in the show for another $3 per show for a huge total of $25 per show! Woo! :) According to the book, that happened when he was 17 months old. Lyverbe 14:28, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

I have no clue why the kid is attacking this article specifically, but perhaps we should consider locking it for a couple of weeks. The only changes that have been done recently are related to the vandalism. Lyverbe 12:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

April 16, 2007, the article continues to be vandalized.

[edit] Removal of "Other uses" section

I have been unable to find a single citation to support the contention that "Mickey Rooney" is an expression used to describe things of inferior quality. Either the editor who posted it is reporting an indiosyncratic usage, or has mistaken it for "Mickey Mouse". The section should not restored (or the claim be included elsewhere in the article) without a citation proving its general usage. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) 09:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I've never liked it anyway. I'm glad to see it gone. -- Lyverbe 12:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Best known...

"In the 1990s, he best known for his work as Henry Dailey on the Family Channel's, Adventures of the Black Stallion." - ...or Mickey Mcguire? ...or Andy Hardy? It's hard to say which role he was best known. I'd remove that information because I don't feel it's really true. It's more a personal opinion. -- Lyverbe 11:11, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Points West?

Given that he's appearing in Sunderland, why would he be on Points West, which serves an area hundreds of miles away? 86.132.140.178 (talk) 16:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Through 2008

What's the idea of using "through 2008" instead of "to this day"? Will you be the one editing "through 2008" each year to adapt it to the new year? -- Lyverbe (talk) 15:11, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Who cares if he doesn't work every day of his life - I don't either. I have weekends off, holidays, vacations, etc. Still, I've been working the last 15 years up "to this day". He is still working today as a stage actor. Reply to this here if you don't agree instead of this childish revert war you're putting us through. If you don't reply in the next 3 days, it will mean you agree and stop this selfish act. -- Lyverbe (talk) 22:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Your comments are logical but Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Out-of-date material advocates the use of dates such as As of 2008 in preference to vague time frames that could become out of date without being recognised as out of date. Rossrs (talk) 07:52, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Then perhaps we could rephrase it. Instead of "whose career in entertainment began in 1922 relatively shortly after his birth and continues to this day", what if we used "who has been doing movies, television appearances and stage performances throughout his life"? -- Lyverbe (talk) 13:03, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
That would be much better. I'm not a fan of "as of 2008". It seems like a good compromise to me. Rossrs (talk) 13:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Medals

I saw Mickey Rooney on TV recently. He was wearing a tuxedo with miniature medals attached to its left side. Can anyone out there please identify these medals and discuss why and when they were awarded to him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.50.171.134 (talk) 08:34, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Not needed

I do not think that a eighty-seven year old man works every day of his life, i think this "lyverbe" or something is reading to much ito his life. You seem to be obsessed with him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.141.157 (talk) 21:08, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey, you're talking! Finally... The only thing I have of Mickey Rooney is his "Life's too short" autobiography, nothing more. Well, I own a couple of movies, but that's because I was a Judy Garland fan and he appeared in lots of movies with her. I am SO far from being obsessed with him. The main reason I'm watching this article is to remove the frequent vandalism done to it, trying to keep it clean. -- Lyverbe (talk) 13:03, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fix One of the Boys link

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It should be One of the Boys (TV series) since One of the Boys is a disambiguation page. In spite of the wording from {{editprotected}}, this isn't urgent.... 67.100.124.23 (talk · contribs) 23:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC).

I've never been a fan of inserting dead links. I don't quite understand why Wikipedia accepts them either as they say it "highlights" pages that ought to be created. Clicking on a link that indirectly tells me "This page is not available" looks like a 404 to me. -- Lyverbe (talk) 02:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
N Not done As this page is only semi-protected, any logged-in user can make this change if they think it useful. {{editprotected}} is only to be used on fully-protected pages. Happy‑melon 13:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
As an aside, I have just created a stub at One of the Boys (TV series), so if it survives RCPatrol there should be no problems with linking to it. Happy‑melon 13:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers priority assessment

Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] what discussion?

i have discussed this, and it is allways your way!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patkirkwoood (talk • contribs) 14:07, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

there are several warnings on your talk page. It would be helpful if you read them, as well as the policy pages they point to. Rossrs (talk) 14:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
No, it's not always my way. If you read carefully above, I've tried to discuss this issue so we can reach an agreement (an angreement doesn't make one win automatically). I had made a suggestion and, even though it was approved, I still waited 24 hours to see if there was any objection. I wouldn't have waited if I wanted to always have it my way. Wikipedia is a group effort and conflicts need to be discussed in the talk page, not through comments of article changes. One of my last reverts says "This was discussed and approved in the talk page. Please leave as is, or state your opinion in the talk page.", that means that the issue is still (and always) opened for changes, but it needs to be discussed. We'll all explain our opinion and end up with an agreement. -- Lyverbe (talk) 15:22, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ok

Ok i will leave it alone, but just leave the began in "1922 and continues through 2008." If you agree to this then i will stop reverting the edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patkirkwoood (talk • contribs) 19:20, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid you don't have the concept of how things work on Wikipedia. Editors don't tend to agree to even backhanded threats like this. No one has to agree to your version of something in order to make you stop tampering with material that has been determined through consensus to be unacceptable. In case you haven't caught on, no one appears to have accepted your version. Secondly, the image you are so persistent in trying to insert is a copyright violation that is not permitted on Wikipedia. Please go read the help page. Wildhartlivie (talk) 21:17, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Recent edits are not an improvement. You cannot say that someone who is still active has had an eighty-five year career, because it means that next year it will be out of date. Will you remember to come back next year and change it to 86? Also it is incorrect to use a capital "A" for "actor" or capital letters such as in "Eighty-Five". Perhaps these edits were in good faith, but they are incorrect just the same. Rossrs (talk) 22:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lead paragraph revisited

Actually, I'm not totally in love with how the lead reads. ...actor and musician who has been doing movies, television appearances and stage performances throughout his life sounds kind of awkward. I'd suggest wording such as ...actor and entertainer whose film, television and stage appearances have spanned his lifetime. Rooney is more of a song and dance man-type entertainer and not really that much of a musician. "Who has been doing" is awkward. If a time element at all is necessary, "beginning while still a toddler" could be added. Just a suggestion. Wildhartlivie (talk) 00:11, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm french, so it's indeed possible that the syntax of what I came up with isn't perfect :) Ok, we'll wait a bit to see if there are better suggestions. -- Lyverbe (talk) 00:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
This is not a constructive suggestion, but it needs to be said. Anything would be better than the current abysmal version: "Mickey Rooney (born Joseph Yule, Jr. on 23 September 1920), Mickey's career has extended through many generations and in many different directions. Mickey Rooney: actor, survivor, inventor and Hollywood living legend." [sic]. -- JackofOz (talk) 00:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
It's abominable. I'd go with Wildhartlivie's suggestion. User:Patkirkwood, you need to stop right now. You have breached WP:3RR policy. It's only because I think you don't have a clue how things work around here, that I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for one last time. One more revert and I will definitely report you without hesitation. Read this page - Wikipedia:Three revert rule. Please do not make any further edits until you understand what it says. Also, don't be paranoid and think you are being discriminated against as this edit summary - "This version sums up the man's Life. You are only reverting the edits because the user patkirkwood is their somany times" suggests. It's not because it's you making the edit, it's because the edit is bad. You have actually been given more chances than most editors get, and despite the fact that your user talk page contains nothing but warnings, you seem to have made no effort to understand Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. Rossrs (talk) 00:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I have changed it to the example suggestion, however I am doing this only as it seems to be agreed that the previous version was not acceptable. I am not assuming that everyone will be happy with this, or that the discussion is closed, only that the previous version needed to be changed. Rossrs (talk) 01:10, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I returned the awards data to the lead paragraph so that it is more consistent with other articles. (I also fixed a badly mangled filmography table). Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Letter Of Complaint!

Everytime a make an edit, it is allways deleted or reverted. So, i decided "How am i going to stop this?". I have written an letter of complaint to wikipedia, because what i think what is happening i am being bullied out of Mickey Rooneys page. Just to let you no i have been a member of wikipedia since 2001, so i know perfectly well about the guidelines. This will be spoken in further discussion. As soon as YOU or any other user has seen this they will write something straight away, fine but it is all being tracked in a book and copied to wikipedia. I will not be making any more edits to HIS page, but will be tracking.!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.141.241 (talk) 00:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to respond positively to your post, and perhaps review some of your contributions and suggest some explanations as to why they've been reverted or deleted. But you don't identify yourself by username, and no edits to this article have been made from "90.194.141.241". To come on here and talk about the way you've been treated, without saying who you are so that we can address the issue rationally, is .. well, just a whinge, that will go nowhere. If you're serious, come to the party. -- JackofOz (talk) 00:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and about your use of "YOU": Are you referring to any particular user, or to Wikipedia as a whole? If the former, the user could not be expected to know they are being referred to, so there's no possibility of any response from them. If the latter, you must understand that once you make edits to Wikipedia articles, you become part of "US", and you're subject to all the rules, policies and guidelines that we all have to adhere to. You cannot be a part of this project and simultaneously see yourself as being separate from it. -- JackofOz (talk) 00:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
The biggest mistake you made was to impose your idea on the article without talking it here. If there's a conflict, it needs to be discussed in the talk page, but you never did. "i have discussed this, and it is allways your way!" - Using 1 line change comments is not having a discussion. That's not just a matter of guidelines, but also matter of respect and common sense. -- Lyverbe (talk) 12:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Who is this pat kirkwood, he is everywhere and ruining Mickey Rooney's page. Could someone block him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.115.130 (talk) 21:40, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Full House

Someone could add that he guest-starred on an episode of Full House called Arrest ye Merry Gentlemen from season 8. I don't know how to edit the table, but if you want somebody could include this. It aired in 1994. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mouseinthehouse (talk • contribs) 19:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

It's done, but I always wonder what should really go into those tables. We shouldn't try to reproduce IMDB. I always feel there's too much stuff. I mean, I believe we should put stuff in which he had a major role (ie. "The Mickey Rooney Show", "Mickey", "The Adventures of the Black Stallion") but not every little places he appeared. -- Lyverbe (talk) 11:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree with you, Lyverbe. I'm all for removing guest appearances on TV shows, unless there was something extraordinary about it, like an award or nomination. Wildhartlivie (talk) 16:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

That's ok, I just thought someone might like to know. Mouseinthehouse (talk) 18:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)