Talk:Michigan State University/Archive 3

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Alumni, notable

Lovelac7, it seems a number of famous MSU alumni have been both eliminated or not included. Also I note we have the only alumni section that has every alumni footnoted. While I agree for clarity and exactness, which is what got both our main and history articles Feature status, I think this may going a bit far. I suggest we add the follow alumni who, if you check, are famous:

Edgar Anderson (botanist), Charles E. (or CE) St. John (astrophysicist), James W. (or JW) Toumey (botanist), E.J. Kraus (botanist).

These are all starred Scientist from 1943 and before (see link: http://books.google.com/books?id=4OvFHmwgghQC&pg=PA172&lpg=PA172&dq=%22franz+br%C3%BCnnow%22&source=web&ots=jiJjRju_Xg&sig=lraze2Wm4CoF2rh_DyhKMEjuyZ0#PPA248,M1 . There are others who I’ll suggest, later, but for now, I’d definitely include these.

Can we get a vote in favor? 69.249.211.107 18:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Ranking

I note the MSU website's "Points of Pride" section lists the following:

"A ranking of Top 100 Global Universities released by Newsweek/MSNBC in August 2006 lists Michigan State at No. 62..."

I think this should be added, in addition to the other rankings. I'm just not great with footnote attributions, if someone might give it a shot. 151.197.39.235 22:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Izzone

I adjusted a statement that the Izzone is one of the "most elite" to the most intimidating, mainly because I remember seeing an article stating just that. I cannot seem to find it, so if anyone knows what article I'm talking about please cite that statement in the Men's Basketball section for me. - EndingPop 18:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Sorry, EndingPop, but that's exactly the kind of assertion that needs a footnote. Even if you found a reference, you'd have to say, "So-and-so ranks the Izzone as the 'most-elite' student section", or something like that. Lovelac7 07:41, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

MSU Userboxes

This user is a Spartan.
  I have updated the MSU Userbox with a public domain Block 'S' logo. To add it to your userpage, just add {{User Michigan State}} to your userpage. Enjoy.
— Lovelac7 23:12, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Now there's one for fans as well. Lovelac7 03:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
This user is a Michigan State Spartans fan.
    • I'm new here, so please attribute this request to ignorance, rather than laziness: Can you create a userbox with the Spartan helmet logo? Amateur Mendicant 23:41, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Not really. All images used in templates must be "free," as per WP:FUC, and the Spartan helmet thing is a copyrighted logo and thus not free. --Dynaflow 06:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Adding a disambiguation link to University of Michigan

After a bit of debate (part two) related to Pennsylvania State University and University of Pennsylvania, any objections to adding a top link to University of Michigan? And likewise to Michigan State University? Thanks, GChriss <always listening><c> 13:15, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Not sure. How would you word them? Lovelac7 23:23, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
    • I would be open to that, if it was worded like, "This article is about the university in East Lansing, Michigan. For the university in Ann Arbor, Michigan, see..." or something similar. --Aguerriero (talk) 23:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Support. That seems like a very NPOV solution. Lovelac7 01:20, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Without objection, done. Thanks, GChriss <always listening><c> 21:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Lyman Briggs School

May I suggest adding that to the list of residential colleges? It's the only one of the (now) three that is missing, and arguably at least as important as James Madison. --TauNeutrino 20:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

  • TauNeutrino, I'm aware of the omission, and I'm currently working on an entirely new section that discusses all four residential colleges. Give me a day or two to finish the new text, and in the mean time, check out Lyman Briggs School. Lovelac7 20:42, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
    • P.S. I need references on both Lyman Briggs and Justin Morrill College. If anyone has any, please let me know. Thanks! Lovelac7 20:45, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Land Grant Inconsistency

In the land grant college pages Wikipedians have said that Rutgers was the first Land Grant and that Michigan State was the Pioneer Land Grant and that Iowa was the first established after the Land Grant.

So, cleaning up the inconsistency is probably a good idea so it doesn't cause confusion.

Harrassment about using Image:MSU Bronze Sparty 2.jpg

Some Norwegian is harassing the use of Image:MSU Bronze Sparty 2.jpg in the Michigan State University article. He claims that a picture of a statue is a derivitive work, and therefore not licensable by the photographer. Fine. So I can't license it under the creative commons licenses, and I changed the licensing to Template:Statue... Unfortunately, he still takes issue with it. According to my Norwegian friend who apparantly is a defender of statues in his spare time, still is not up to fair-use standards. If anyone wants to help put him in his place, I would appreciate it.

I really don't understand people who troll around looking for things like this. It's rediculous. The image would still remain on wikipedia used in other articles even if it was removed from the Michigan State University article. And what kind of Michigan State article would it be without a picture of its' Mascot in it? GEeez. Some peoples kids. --Jeff 14:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand his rationale. You took the photo, you're illustrating the article and adding information to the article. Just because the photo happens to be of a piece of art does not mean the photo of it is a copyright violation. It's absolutely idiotic that he's going out of his way to pick a fight like this. - Stick Fig 19:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay. I added a referenced description of the statue's artistic genre, and mentioned the original sculptor in the MSU article. Now the Fair use rationale is satisfied. Lovelac7 18:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

National Titles in Hockey, Football and Basketball

Michigan State University is not the only NCAA division One Program with national championships in football, basketball and ice hockey. The University of Michigan also has had national championships in Ice Hockey(1998), football (1997) and basketball (1989)

  • No, but MSU was the first to do so, and is still the only school to have won outright NCAA titles in the three sports. Amateur Mendicant 23:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Ruckus

Hey, just noticed that the reference to the Ruckus service, which is a service MSU uses to encourage students to stop stealing music, was removed for being advertising. I'm not really comfortable with removing it. I think we'd be better served by mentioning the service, why MSU made the deal, its strengths and weaknesses, and its popularity with students. There was a specific reason MSU agreed to the deal, and it's because of another campus-related issue. Let's find a way to address that issue rather than ignoring it. - Stick Fig 22:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I took that line out beacuse, after reading up on this service, they work with many different universities. Their website proclaims, "Our list of partnered schools is growing daily and has become too large for us to show all of them."[1] I also read that Ruckus is big on viral marketing, so I looked up the articles taht linked to the Ruckus or Ruckus Network pages. As far as I could tell, MSU and American University were the only one linked. So after some thinking, I decided that the sentence was as extraneous as a clause saying that "MSU students receive free access to Facebook." Anyway, if you have a good reason to put the sentence back in, please let me know. My question is this: Is there anything notable about the MSU/Ruckus partnership? If there is, let's stick it back in. That's what they make page histories for. Lovelac7 09:47, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Should this be added?

I found Corner blitz via the random article feature, and thought it might need to be included in this article as a link or a merge. -- VGF11 02:37, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

"Town and Gown" insertion

Every few months someone tries to insert these same lines into the main article, often in inappropriate places. I think either a new artcle should be created around these events and somehow linked to the article, or should be omitted altogether due to the increasing size of the article. AStudent 00:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

In recent years, "town and gown" relations have soured as students and permanent residents looked at each other with increasing hostility. Tensions worsened when East Lansing erupted in riots in 1997,[1] and 1998.[2][3] The most recent disturbance occurred on April 2, 2005, after MSU's defeat to North Carolina in the 2005 men's basketball Final Four.[4] Officially deemed a "civil disturbance" rather than a riot, the incident sparked a debate over police brutality in East Lansing, which has yet to be resolved. Despite the damage to MSU's image, the University looks to improve its academic reputation in the 21st century

  • I wrote this paragraph to minimize academic boosterism. (i.e. show some of the bad things about MSU.) Featured article criteria require a balanced view of the university, and unfortunately for us Spartans, the riots are part of our history. The segment you've quoted belongs in the "History" section, under the subheading "Global leader by 2012". If editors are duplicating it elsewhere in the article, feel free to delete it. Lovelac7 08:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    • I think that the article is large enough already, if you want to go ahead and expand on your extry please create a new article and link it. 162.82.215.199 18:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it's necessary to create a new article. However, it doesn't make sense in it's current heading, "Global Leader by 2012". Perhaps under "Student Life"? Also, someone has already reverted it back to include Lovelac's additions. - EndingPop 21:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree with the discussion to make it a new article. If it's imporant enough of an event to be part of Michigan State history it deserves it's own article or stub. The MSU article is long enough already without including it - especially in random places, which can be considered vandalism. Just toss a link at the end of a sentence and stop making it such a big deal.162.82.215.199 18:04, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Featured topic deadline

Per the new resolution at Wikipedia:Featured topic criteria, the Michigan State University featured topic will be eligible for removal after 1 January 2008 if Michigan State Spartans is not improved to GA or FA level. You might also want to review point #5 of the featured topic criteria (no obvious gap) because the topic will also come under increased scrutiny at this time. Thanks.--Pharos 03:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Images

All of the copyrighted images in this article need fair use rationale. BlueAg09 (Talk) 21:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what you're talking about. Copyrighted images needn't be fair-use. For instance, I retain all copyright on photos I've placed on Wikipedia and Wikicommons (including those photos here on this article), but I've licensed them under CC-SA-2.5, which is a completely wiki-friendly license. I have a strong distaste for the anti-copyright tirade that's gone on here on Wikipedia and every time I return to have a gander it only gets worse.--Jeff 03:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Eustace-Cole Hall image

Another Wikipedian is challenging an image on this article. I'm seeking others' opinions to determine which image should be used in this article. Please offer your feedback.

Image:MSU Eustace-Cole Hall.jpg - Large resolution image

or

Image:MSU Eustace-Cole Hall2.jpg - Low resolution image taken from a closer vantage point.

Thanks.--Jeff 03:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)



Good to see you took the liberty of changing that without a comment. The second one is not only a closer vantage point, it has a better resolution. The larger the image does not mean higher resolution. The only photo that looks good on this entire page is the autumn leaves walkway image. The other photos were obviously taken by an inexperienced photographer and a poor lens. I have some photos that I am going to replace on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Subterranean (talk • contribs) 20:39, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Ranking

MSU's study abroad program is the largest of any single-campus university in the United States with 2,461 students studying abroad in 2004–2005 in over 60 countries on all continents, including Antarctica.

Is that quote truly a "ranking" shouldn't that phrase go under student life or the top paragraph of the academics section Oldag07 Oldag07 (talk) 15:52, 17 November 2007 (UTC)