Talk:Michael Muldoon
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[edit] Fake?
I think this article is fake. It is obvious that some of the information is fake, and when I could find no football player named Michael Muldoon. -Shadowin 21:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
The fact you cannot prove that this article is indeed fake nullifies your arguement. I have reported the fact that you have nominated the artcile for deletion to a higher authority. I would appreciate if you removed this immediately. Mullers 21:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
There are absolutely no sources for this article, and much of the information is absolutely ludicrous. On top of it, it mentions one website with a link to another. The website it mentions is a page up for sale, and the link posted is dead. Furthermore, the fact the information can't be verified does indicate that this page is a hoax. I don't know who your higher authority is, but I am adding the hoax tag back and nominating the article for deletion. - Shadowin 21:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I have added the titles of two books which prove the existance of Michael Muldoon. Perhaps you should look out these books and take a close read at them to satisfy your curiosity. It is hard to use internet sources for a person who was most pridominant in the 80s, as I'm sure you will appreciate. Mullers 21:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
As far as I can tell these books don't even exist. Please provide the ISBN numbers. - Shadowin 21:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
0 9509977 0 6 is a nonexistent ISBN number. - Shadowin 22:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I have been unable to locate an ISBN number for one of the books. To the best of my knowledge the book was merely printed locally, not published. However, I have been able to provide an ISBN number for the second book. http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=734407952&searchurl=sts%3Dt%26y%3D16%26isbn%3D0950997706%26x%3D14
I hope this will satisfy your curiosity and the matter can be left alone.Mullers 22:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I trust you take the spaces out of the ISBN number? Mullers 22:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I've been watching this little debate unfold with some interest. Knowing both the subject of the entry in question and the original contributor, I can confirm, albeit circumstantially, that Michael Muldoon does in fact exist. I am the administrator of the website formerly at www.irishgaels.com. It was moved several months ago to its present location at fewlishfox.co.uk, where it is currently undergoing modification to the phpBB2 code, hence the message_die() error. It is far from dead. I might suggest you consult web.archive.org or even Google to corroborate this. Fawksie 22:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I have verified that irishgaels.com used to exist as a message board, though whether it is noteworthy that he is the #1 champion of a defunct message board is questionable (and currently unverifiable). I think I should ask a more experienced Wikipedian to look at this page as I am unsure how to proceed. - Shadowin 22:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
At the very least, this page is a damn sight better than some of the wanton vandalism that happens on a daily basis. It's certainly not a hoax, as it can be demonstrated that its subject actually exists. Nor is it intended to disrupt Wikipedia for amusement or to prove a point. I agree that a good deal of its substance and style leaves a lot to be desired, but for the most part, the information is correct. As an exercise in developing editing skills, it might be advisable for the original contributor to move it to his userpage, where it won't annoy users of a certain disposition.. And once again, the board is not defunct, merely dormant ;) Fawksie 22:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I started paying attention because of edits from an IP address that appeared to be vandalism. Muller then logged on and he had been the primary contributor, so I stopped reverting. However, I paid attention to the information on here and although you claim it is demonstrable that Michael Muldoon, I cannot find information on him anywhere outside of this article. This is very suspect for a guy who has won 3 championships, has a cult following, and was involved with a spy ring. Since I don't know what to do (this article may indeed be legitimate), I have asked an experienced Wikipedian to take a look. - Shadowin 23:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
As I have already mentioned, I admit to being an inexperienced Wikipedian, and the only reason you seen so many alteration was down to this lack of experience. With the greatest of respect, there are men who have won 8 Tyrone Senior Championship medals, all of who you would be greatly challenged to find anything about on the internet. The idea behind the creation of the article was to bring the local area, Ardboe, to a wider internet audience. I acknowledge that it is not good practice to make numerous changes within such a short space of time. However, as the third party has mentioned, the material is not intended to disrupt the general use of Wikipedia. I feel that your interest in the matter has gone beyond that of genuine concern and into a personal victory to get the page deleted. Mullers 23:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
When was the last time you tried finding any information that Wikipedia considers "reliable" on a local-level GAA player? The amateur nature of the organisation makes it very difficult. The IP listed as 212.69.44.61 is mine, since I've only just registered. If that's the IP to which you refer, I'm not sure which of my typographical corrections you considered vandalism. Fawksie 23:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
You are mistaken Mullers, I do not have a vendetta to have this page removed. I just want to verify that it isn't a hoax. Your concern makes me feel that it probably isn't, but to be sure I've been making contact to people in the area to see if I can verify that Michael Muldoon exists and played for Ardboe. If I just wanted to get you deleted, I wouldn't be taking the time to try to verify the information. Please understand that some of it seems over the top, but I concede that it is possible the events occurred. I thought Fawksie's edits were vandalism due to the pasting of a gigantic picture into one of the sections. Like I said, once I saw Mullers put the picture in after being logged in I figured the edits were legitimate. I am just concerned about the veracity of the information. Once I have verified Muldoon I will even back you guys 100% because it's really cool to discover interesting information such as local legends. Shadowin 23:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Someone has verified that there was a Muldoon playing for Ardboe during that time frame. That's enough for me! Sorry for the mess, I guess there just isn't a lot of information on gaelic football guys! Oh, I was told they live in Kilmeenagh Townland. Shadowin 23:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I acknowledge your concerns Shadowin. The trouble about presenting such information is that once locals hear about the entry, they seem intent on making their own impression on it. I have taken time to add links to a number of the points raised to try and verify them. I also appreciate that you took time out to verify that he actually existed. Can I be inquisitive and ask who you actually contacted to verify his existance? being a local of the area I am slightly intrigued. Once again, thank you for your concern, but I assure you the contents of the page are 100% factual, albeit presented in the humourous nature of the character himself. Mullers 00:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Considering I have no ties to Ireland, I found a couple of people who live in Ardboe on MySpace and asked them. I also found out you guys usually use Bebo there =).I figured if he's well-known locally, then someone who lives in Ardboe would have heard of him; and that worked out.
Shadowin 16:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Who the hell even cares about someone who played for a crappy local team? Leave wikipedia for articles that actually interest people. (James Sawyer Ford 02:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Delete it!
[edit] Real and living but notable?
While the previous discussion appears to establish this person is real, it does not establish notability. Also, I've added the living persons template. I've removed unsourced controversial claims and the most obviously trivial. Whether the remaining article deserves to survive is a question worth asking. jnestorius(talk) 16:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
