Talk:Michael Manley

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This is a reasonable summary, but I would question the phrase 'Though he was white'. Since Norman Manley was a Brown man, and Edna Manley had Coloured Jamaican ancestry, their son could hardly be 'White'. I don't believe he was ever considered White even in Jamaican terms ('Jamaican White'). joyusjam 19:38, 26 May 2003 (UTC)

It does not say 'Though he was white.' It says 'Though he was light-skinned.' There is a difference. 147.9.46.117 16:51, 28 October 2004 (UTC)
I'd call it mostly reasonable. I've updated it to make clear that Michael Manley and Edward Seaga exacerbated the culture of political violence, rather than inventing it. 69.180.61.176 01:43, 16 December 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Interesting

Any sources on Manley having "exacerbated" Jamaica's culture of street violence? I'm not contesting it, just curious. Also there is nothing in here about Manley's infamous dialogues with Henry Kissinger regarding the CIA's apparent shipping of weapons to, well, FURTHER exacerbate the ongoing violence in Jamaica during the 1970s. I'm too lazy to edit it in but I read about the conversation in Killing Hope, which is a blatantly left-wing, but mostly well-written, work. Daxtox 07:18, 28 March 2005 (UTC)

Good question. I'd suggest that you take a look at the work of Obika Gray, whose two books on Jamaican politics chronicle and analyze its seamy side. Also, the work of Carl Stone (several different studies).
Partisan violence in Jamaica, between the PNP and JLP, began in the 1940s as the PNP reacted to JLP efforts to deny them the streets of Kingston. (Before 1943, and, really, for some time after, it was more the BITU than the JLP.) Fledgist 23:51, 21 April 2005 (UTC)

I've edited the page to make clear that Manley did not inherit the leadership from his father (there was a contest for leadership when the elder Manley announced he was going to step down, between Michael Manley and Vivian Blake). Manley became leader of the PNP several months before the death of his father. fledgist 13:54, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Incomplete?

While it's true that Manley's economic initiatives during the 1970s yielded mixed results for Jamaica, it's also true that many of the social reforms instituted by the PNP during that era have had long-lasting and beneficial results for the people of the country. I'm thinking particularly of the establishment of a minimum wage for domestic workers, and the legislation which eradicated "bastard" as an official designation for children born out of wedlock. Also (while this elicited some dismay from the richer and lighter-skinned), it was under this administration that a sense of pride in the African ancestry of most Jamaicans became a matter of official (that is, government) recognition. This, for a largely black country suffering from postcolonial racism, was not a small thing.--12.218.218.181 20:31, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

An anonymous contributor has repeatedly indicated that the State of Emergency imposed in 1976 continued into the 1980s. This is a confusion of the Emergency and the powers granted to the police and the military under the Suppression of Crime Act and Gun Court Act. Parliament extended the powers of the government under those laws until the early 1990s. fledgist 23:03, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Insertion

"He respected and admired the new leader of Grenada Bernard Coard." I'd like to see a source in support of this addition. Guettarda 19:06, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I would too. This seems very much out of character. fledgist 12:41, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] "Dictator"

I've removed the adjective "dictator" which preceded Julius Nyerere's name because, while Nyerere led a one-party state, its nature was such that the term does not seem proper.fledgist 12:41, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Fifth Prime Minister"

The article begins with a glaring error. It states that Michael Manley was Jamaica's fifth prime minister. In fact Michael Manley was Jamaica's fourth prime minister and probably one could argue that he was also the sixth. I have changed the article to refer to Michael Manley as the fourth Prime Minister. Logan3d (talk) 04:13, 14 January 2008 (UTC)