Talk:Michael Lucas' Dangerous Liaisons

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Contents 1 Page moved in error 2 Request for comments 2.1 Comments 3 To the anonymous user who continues to delete the reference to Lucas Entertainment's retail store 4 Adam Gay Video 1995 Directory reference 5 Disputed information regarding remake/adaptation 6 Film expense 7 More tags please

[edit] Page moved in error

I was in error in moving the original page, Michael Lucas' Dangerous Liaisons, to this renamed page. While Michael Lucas' should more properly be Michael Lucas's, the original page was named correctly, as that is how the film is named. My apologies for the extra work.—Chidom ^talk  00:57, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for comments

There seems to be a dispute as to whether or not a company's website is an accurate, verifiable source for the synopsis of one of its own films. Compare these versions:

• With synopsis references/extracts
• Without synopsis references/extracts

Specifically, the dispute involves whether the film in this article is an adaptation of the 18th century novel, as the studio claims, or a version of the 1988 film, which is unsourced information that continues to be inserted in the article. The website has also been used as the source for the Plot section in the article.

Comments? —Chidom ^talk  15:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

As I stated in the previous RfC about Michael Lucas's biography, manufacturer PR material about a product is generally acceptable as an encyclopedic source. If editors who disagree with the company position find evidence to the contrary in other published sources that meet WP:V - such as a film review in an established magazine or newspaper - then that opinion may be cited alongside the manufacturer statement. While it may be possible that the film producers cited the public domain novel instead of the copyrighted film for legal reasons, it would violate WP:NOR to advance that view without a verifiable source for the claim and it would violate WP:NPOV to exclude the production company's position. Durova 01:28, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed on both counts. --GunnarRene 17:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To the anonymous user who continues to delete the reference to Lucas Entertainment's retail store

The reference is not trying to sell anything; it is where the studio has provided a synopsis of the film that it produced and released and, yes, has for sale.—Chidom ^talk  14:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adam Gay Video 1995 Directory reference

Here is the text to which the reference refers:

"Director/Performer Michael Lucas' most ambitious production yet is a XXX adaptation/update of the famous 18th-Century novel. Lucas will star along with Wilfried Knight, Richard Black, and Owen Hawk."

[edit] Disputed information regarding remake/adaptation

The reference to Lucas's blog, a reprint of an article by Genre, states:

"These days Lucas is about to play his biggest deck of cards yet. He’s wrapping up the most expensive and ambitious gay adult movie in history: a remake of Dangerous Liaisons, the x-rated version. But don’t expect any wigs or tights in this flick. Lucas’ adaptation of Choderlos de Laclos’ classic takes place in modern day New York City."

(emphasis added) The magazine article apparently thinks that "remake" and "adaptation" are the same thing.

The reference to the film description at Lucas Entertainment, the producer of the film, states:

"Lust, betrayal, murder, and deceit all come alive in Michael Lucas' most anticipated film to date. Michael Lucas' Dangerous Liaisons, based on Choderlos de Laclos' 1782 classic Les Liaisons Dangereuses (famously made into an Oscar winning film starring Glenn Close and John Malkovich), is a new modern-day twist on one of literature's most intriguing tales of wicked revenge and twisted seduction."

(emphasis added)

Additionally, the reference to the film in the Adam Gay Video 2005 Directory, which features Michael Lucas on the cover and the piece about the film is on the inside front cover, states (as is already quoted above):

"Director/Performer Michael Lucas' most ambitious production yet is a XXX adaptation/update of the famous 18th-Century novel. Lucas will star along with Wilfried Knight, Richard Black, and Owen Hawk."

(emphasis added)

—Chidom ^talk  18:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Film expense

If there is a verifiable source for information regarding an adult film that cost more to make, please post it here to support removing this information from the article.

Sourced information should not just be removed from an article based on an opinion.

Cited reference states:

"With an estimated cost of over a quarter of a million dollars, Dangerous Liaisons is by far the most expensive adult film ever made. You can tell, too. With up to seven different camera angels per scene, elaborate sets and locations, and actual costumes (for in between the sex), Dangerous Liaisons is the closest a gay porn has ever gotten to not looking like a gay porn."

Here is the company info on cybersocket, the site used for the reference:

"Cybersocket, founded in 1996, is the parent company of various LGBT Internet, print, and communication services. Cybersocket produces a leading search engine, several email newsletters, the best-selling annual guide to the LGBT Internet, and the nation's largest freely distributed gay print magazine, with a circulation of 70,000 issues monthly, audited by Verified."

("Verified" refers to "Verfied Audit Circulation", at verifiedaudit.com)

—Chidom ^talk  18:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More tags please

OK, I'm being sarcastic here. Seriously, Over-tagging an article, no less one section, isn't helping especially when they are redundant. Benjiboi 11:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)