Talk:Michael I Cerularius

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[edit] Image

I do not believe this is an image of Cerularius.

See the image of the Empress Zoe.

Byzantine Emperors/Empresses (and often their families as well) were depicted with halos, whereas, Patriarchs (to my knowledge were not). Since the images are identical (and seen wearing a crown as well), I would say it is indeed an image of Zoe, and not of Cerularius.

PS - my apologies on horrible layout, anyone feel free to fix this page

hellenica 23:01, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

The caption also says something about a Basileus, doesn't it? (My Greek is pretty bad...) Adam Bishop 23:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

My Greek, sadly, is similarly awful. I was trying to decipher that myself, but Byzantine Greek shared Latin's tendency to avoid spaces between words... But yes, I can see the last letters spell out ΒΑCIλEVC. The rest looks like KWHC(T)(A)(?)H(?)EHXW TWθWΠICTOC... Koes... eexo tothopistos basileus. So whatever that means. =) hellenica 23:36, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah, well that's probably one of the Constantines then, not Zoe. Adam Bishop 23:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Certainly a possibility. My point was not so much to argue that the image was Zoe so much as it was not Cerularius. I did not upload the image of Zoe, so I can not speak for its accuracy. hellenica 07:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Right...but anyway, what's with the cleanup and POV tags? Adam Bishop 16:00, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Guys, this is Zoe portrayed next to Christ across from her husband Constantine IX Monomachos. In her hands she is holding some sort of scroll (imperial donation?), which is inscribed with "Constantine, in Christ-God faithful emperor of the Romans" (Kōnstantinos en Kh[rist]ō tō Th[e]ō pistos basileus R[ōmaiōn]).

[edit] Catholic Encyclopedia and Shaff-Herzog

As I was attempting to cleanup the article per the recently-added tags, I decided to simply give up and remove all the additions from the Catholic Encyclopedia and Shaff-Herzog. Fastifex and Kmorozov, no offense, but those are pretty much useless. I know they are public domain and various people enjoy adding huge blocks of text from both sources, but even at their best they are ridiculously out of date, and in a case like this there is no possible way either of them could be neutral or informative in any meaningful way. We are better off with the briefer article to which I have reverted. Can we not do better than 100-year-old scholarship? Of course we can! Let's not be lazy! Adam Bishop 02:22, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for that, since that is precisely why the cleanup/POV tags were added. It was my own intention to revise it as you did, so I'm sorry you were forced to do so yourself. hellenica 10:04, 26 April 2006 (UTC)