Talk:Miami Showband killings

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[edit] Perpetrators, and other matters

Weggie has removed my addition of 'British Security Forces' as perpetrators, without explanation. I can see this leading to further debate. There is a question of consistency to be established. If the British security forces are not to be included here, but only their subordinates, the UVF, are (this fact of security force direction is well documented at this stage), then the Kinsgmill page needs to be amended also. In addition, why is it the Miami Showband 'killings', but the Kingsmill 'massacre'? There is inconsistency here also - either both should be described as 'killings' or both as a 'massacre'. The usual parlance is 'Miami Showband massacre'.

Nomath 11:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Equating the UVF as a 'subordinate' to the British security services' is a biased statement and entirely POV. No ones disputes that the UDR was infiltrated by the UVF but to try and say this was a sanctioned attack is unproven and seriously POV. The systemic bias that is being shown here is wholly against the principles of Wikipedia. Weggie 11:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Robert Nairac was involved. There is irrational resistance here to perfectly well established evidence. I will come back to this. BTW, what about the RUC (McCaughey, Weir) Weggie? - RUC and UDR were both British security forces.

Nomath 14:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

The perpetrators were wearing british uniforms and quite happy to do so. Therefore it was the British occupying force that was the perpetrator. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.176.206 (talk) 13:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)