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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was no move. —Mets501 (talk) 16:09, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Requested moves

Reasons: These are the official names, they apply to both men and women tourneys, while the name Masters is only appropriate to the men's tournament. It's common practice on Wikipedia to name sports events after their sponsor, so these are not exceptions.Nitsansh 23:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Survey - Support votes

  1. --Nitsansh 23:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey - Oppose votes

  1. Strongly oppose. I am not sure why the move requestor believes that it is "common practice" on Wikipedia to name sports events after their sponsor. For example, the Wikipedia article for the Australian Open does not have "Kia," the tournament's major sponsor, in the name of the article. The moves would be a radical departure for tennis articles and are completely unnecessary. Tennis expert 04:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
    Here are some examples:
    Also see:
    It seems that all articles on tournaments on the ATP and WTA tours are using their official name, EXCEPT the Masters series.--Nitsansh 04:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
  2. Oppose. Some events on the ATP and WTA tours have never really had a proper name other than a sponsored event title. These include some of the examples listed above by Nitsansh, and in those cases titling the Wikipedia article about them by their sponsored name does make sense. However in cases where a more stable name which is still considered official other than the (sometimes often-changing) sponsored name is what it is more generally used by both the public and the press, it makes sense for the Wikipedia article to use that name as its title. After all, it's not Wikipedia's job to promote the sponors. We do still try to include all current and former names of the event - including sponsored ones - in bold in the text of the article for the sake of clarity, and have redirect pages from other names for the event in case anyone types one of them in. Despite their sponsored event titles, all the Masters Series events (inclduing their WTA counter-part events) are still often referred to by the public and press as the "_____ Masters". On the other hand, changing the title of "Cincinatti Masters" to "Western & Southern Financial Group Masters and Women's Open" would make that page look a real mess and may put the casual reader off. The current naming system is neat, clean and easy for any reader to follow. We're not ignoring the sponsored names, just putting them in the text rather than the title. Zaxem 01:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, most people that I know refer to tournaments by their location, but that doesn't seem to be the norm here. The problem that I see with these 5 (and not other Masters tournaments) is that they are men and women tournaments, and the term Masters should be used only for the men's tournament. BTW, It's ridiculous to call the Cincinnati events one tournament, as they are a month apart in the calendar.--Nitsansh 02:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
If that is your only objection, then perhaps you should instead suggest naming the articles, for example, the "Cincinnati ATP and WTA Tennis Tournaments." But don't put the sponsor's name in the title. I still would prefer to leave things as they are. Tennis expert 04:50, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Something like Miami ATP Masters and WTA tournament would be more occurate IMO, but if you look for consistency, then all tournaments should be renamed _____ ATP or _____ WTA.--Nitsansh 02:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

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I’ve redirected the Miami Masters page to the NASDAQ-100 Open page in order to reflect the fact that this is a fully integrated men’s and women’s tournament, unlike any of the other Tennis Masters Series Events. I’ve tried to make this distinction clear on that page, and have also included information about both the men’s and women’s results. The NASDAQ-100 Open page will obviously have to be redirected if the title sponsors of the event ever change. Zaxem 06:06, 26 June 2005 (UTC)

Oops. Got it wrong. Indian Wells Masters is also a fully integrated combined event. On second thoughts I think it's better to keep this at the Miami Masters page. Have redirected NASDAQ-100 Open back to here. Zaxem 09:05, 26 June 2005 (UTC)

The name Miami Masters refers only to the men's tournament. The official name is Sony Ericsson Open from 2007.--Nitsansh 23:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copied from Talk:Canada Masters

Canada Masters and Rogers Cup are the same tournaments, Canada Masters is the old name and Rogers Cup is its successor.Gsingh 22:51, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Most of the ATP Masters Series events have sponsored names. But these names change frequently as sponsors change. That's why all the Masters Series events on Wikipedia have pages titled by their name within the Masters Series. For long-term consistency, that makes sense (particularly since most tennis fans more commonly refer to the events by their Masters Series names instead of the frequently-changing sponsored names). For clarity, their sponsored names are all noted in bold within the opening paragraph of their page (and also in the chart on the ATP Master Series page). Sponsored names should ideally also be redirect pages so that anyone searching using that name will still find the appropriate page. I therefore think that Rogers Cup (tennis) should be merged to Canada Masters, not the other way around. Zaxem 03:42, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Good point, I also agree with that, ive changed the tag to merge rogers cup to canada mastersGsingh 16:57, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Wait a minute... That may have been true for the men's tournament but the women's tournament was never a "Masters" event, in name or otherwise. When the men's event was "Tennis Masters Canada" or whatever it was, the women's event was the "Rogers AT&T Cup". — stickguy (:^›)— home - talk - 17:28, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
      • Never mind, I see it's consistent with other similar events. — stickguy (:^›)— home - talk - 17:33, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Name and location of the Sony Ericsson Open / Miami Masters

I have been arguing with a user calling himself Tennis expert about the location and name of the Miami Masters. Here's my side on this issue:

The Sony Ericsson Open is just the sponsored name. The tournament's name is the Miami Masters. A few years back the Miami Masters was called the Nasdaq 100 Open. Sony Ericsson is just the current sponsor and has a contract that runs thru 2010 or 2011, not sure when exactly. And although the tounrmanet takes place at Crandon Park in Key Biscayne the WTA and ATP consider this a tournament that takes place in Miami and that's how they state it in all of their official media information (location wise).

Here's the proof for the skeptics out there: WTA Tornament Schedule: [1]

I don't really care what this guy thinks, I just want the location of the tournament corrected thruout wikipedia. Whenever the Miami Masters is listed it should include the location of Miami and not Key Biscayne.--190.10.76.226 (talk) 17:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)