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Isn't having a Miami Dolphins logo on this page a copyright violation without having permission of the National Football League and the Miami Dolphins organization??

I think we have an example of fair use. Wiki isn't making any money off of it and it's there for educational purposes. Kirjtc2 16:19, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Besides, I don't think the Dolphins would mind a little publicity. User:Floridanum1 —Preceding comment was added at 14:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] THE DRAFT

When Cam Cameron was hired many fans cheered that he would be the coach who can make the Dolphins team into a perrenial playoff contentor. Cameron, who specializes in building a powerful offense, had just conducted his first draft as head coach. Unfortunately I feared that cameron would bypass the true offense and defense needs and go for the offensive scoring needs. He did just that. So far the draft picks have been dismal, if not horrific. Ted Ginn jr went #9 to the fins which was the first big shock of the draft. In the 2nd rd the fins selected 25 yr old john beck and hawaii center Samson Satale, a position already filled by talented Rex Hadnot. In the 3rd rd the fins selected Lorenzo Booker, which likely spells the end of the ricky williams tenure in miami. The fins have yet to address TE and LT two priority positons. The fins have passed on the last premier LTs and have to wait till the 4th rd to pick an LT or TE of the future. Course the 4th rd pick may go KC for Trent Green. Postions needing to be filled: OT, TE, P, LB, DB, DT DRAFT GRADE: D-

[edit] Megaparagraph!

Ok, not quite a single paragraph, but geewilikers that's a lot of stuff under one heading. A great example of splitting up the information is found in the Cincinnati Bengals one, FYI. Although this particular message might just be me tooting my own horn.

--Duemellon 22:23, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Dolphin's Dolphin?

Did the team ever keep a dolphin in a tank at the stadium?

They did in the movie Ace Ventura: Pet Detective, but I don't know if they have ever done so in real life. Is there anyone who might know? -- 68.12.101.60 17:35, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I know they did, but I don't know much else. Kushboy 05:56, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

See the NFL Films DVD set, Inside the Vault. Disc Two, on the old AFL, shows the Dolphin in the tank at the stadium. It also shows rare footage of Bob Griese throwing a touchdown pass to running back Stan Mitchell (remember Stan Mitchell?).--65tosspowertrap 01:35, 10 July 2006 (UTC) See also the book by Dave Hyde, Still Perfect! The Untold Story of the 1972 Miami Dolphins,p.36, which mentions how Joe Robbie "fired" Flipper.--65tosspowertrap 11:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Improvement drive

National Football League is currently a candidate on WP:IDRIVE. Vote for it if you are interested!--Fenice 20:39, 10 August 2005 (UTC) Yes in the early 70s there was a dolphin in the stadium in a small tank ... he was relocated for obvious reasons

[edit] Owner information

It would be nice if someone added information about the various owners the team has had. Funkyj 05:35, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

There have been only been two owners, I think. Founder Joe Robbie and current owner Wayne Huizinga, who bought the team after Robbie's death.

Technically, from Joe Robbie's death in January of 1990 until Elizabeth Robbie's death on November 5, 1991, she was also a majority owner of the team. Wayne Huizenga, who had bought a 15% interest in the team and the new stadium, had first dibs (is that a legal term?) on purchasing the team from the children heirs when their burden of estate taxes (47 million on 200 million in assets) came due. So, you could list not only Elizabeth Robbie, but also the children as owners at different points prior to Huizenga's purchase. CodeCarpenter 22:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I did add in some reference to the owners. Although the fact that the heirs were "techincally" owners for some time, that might be interesting as a trivia fact. But as far as the meaning of the word understood in sports, they really wouldn't qualify. If you examined all the various sports teams contracts there would probably all kinds of interesting persons who were "techincally" owners for a short time. This maybe worthwile as a triva fact on some page somewhere. Also the legal term for first dibs is the right of first offer. Butnotthehippo 00:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Failed Good Article Status

This article is insufficiently referenced and there are too many tables (that falls under "well-written"). joturner 04:04, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Davie, FL

~~The Dolphins are based in Davie, FL. Anyone think we should mention that?~~ Kushboy 19:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. Butnotthehippo 00:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] wins

I have added the Dolphins total wins and I got 362 three times instead of the 382 that's listed.74.32.80.33 22:59, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

The disclaimer on the table says "(including AFL & NFL playoffs)". Did you include all of the playoff wins in your calculations, or did you just add up the numbers in the wins column? Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:48, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Csonka and Morris Rushing

Mercury Morris rushed for exactly 1,000 yards in 1972, so technically it is not correct to say that both Csonka and Morris rushed for over 1,000 yards that year.--65tosspowertrap 01:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

If you include preseason and playoffs, I am sure he got a nother yard in 1972. :) CodeCarpenter 22:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Garo Yepremian

Not one mention of Garo Yepremian, who won many games for the Dolphins in the 1970's!--65tosspowertrap 02:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dolphins Song

I am new to wiki and learning. However, this article makes no mention of the Dolphins song/anthem. Can someoen do some research as to how official the song is? Or at least the lyrics?

Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins
Miami Dolphins Number One

The lyrics are:

(Verse) Miami has the Dolphins, The greatest football team! We take the ball from goal to goal, Like no one's ever seen! We're in the air, We're on the ground, We're always in control. So when you say Miami, You're talking Super Bowl!

(Chorus 1) Cause we're the Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins Number 1.

(Chorus 2) Yes we're the Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins Number 1.

(Repeat)

As far as how official it is, the Dolphins play it on the PA when they score a touchdown and score a field goal. Probably on a safety too but I can't recall. --BHC 22:37, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

The official dolphins website has it as the "Fight Song" http://www.miamidolphins.com/history/dolphinsfightsong/dolphinsfightsong.asp

[edit] Infobox

Looking at this page, I'm just wondering how long the NFL infoboxes need to be. I think they should look more like the soccer/rugby ones, with just the basics. For example, having every former name of thet stadium in the box is kind of silly isnt it? Narrasawa 11:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Franchise History Edit

Franchise history section had mentioned that 5 members of the 1970's teams were HOF members. From the list of Dolphin HOF members, later in the article:

42 Paul Warfield, WR, 1970-74, elected 1983
39 Larry Csonka, RB, 1968-74 & 1979, elected 1987
62 Jim Langer, C, 1970-79, elected 1987
12 Bob Griese, QB, 1968-80, elected 1990
66 Larry Little, G, 1969-80, elected 1993
85 Nick Buoniconti, LB, 1969-76, elected 2001

I edited the number from five to six. 142.162.70.214 (talk) 03:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Helmet

The article states that "the logo consists of a dolphin wearing a helmet with the sun shining behind it." WHOSE helmet is the dolphin wearing? It's not the Miami Dolphins helmet -- it has an "M" on it, and the Miami Dolphins helmet has a logo of a dolphin on it. WHY is the dolphin wearing some other team's helmet (or a fictitious one)? Cjkporter 19:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brock Rademann QB

No records show such a person existed. I believe this is vandalism. With no confirmation, I am removing the reference. If it is added once again, supporting information must be posted on the talk page. --Mcmachete 23:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nick Saban

I was reading an issue of Dolphins Digest and it was written that one of the reasons why Saban left was the Culpepper vs Brees issue. The team docters okayed Culpepper and turned down Brees. Yet, I keep thinking didn't Saban have the last word on player transactions? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Raul17 (talk • contribs) 05:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] References?

This page has some really POV language and practically no references. Also, I think some of the information on this palkpage is useful and should be integrated. Butnotthehippo 22:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Further, the history section really needs a cleanup and rewrite. I cannot believe there was no mention of the Orange Bowl anywhere in this!Butnotthehippo 23:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hacked Website

After hearing something along the lines of the Dolphins team and/or stadium website being hacked into, I was thinking that maybe it would be a good idea to, for the time being, take the link off the article until it's fixed. Thoughts? --Rovership27 03:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Stadium names fixed. --Bmajer 21:34, 11 February 2007

[edit] Location?

An anonymous IP is changing Miami Gardens to Davie for the team location. Rather than get into an edit war, I leave it to the public to decide. Should the Dolphins be known by the place they play, or the place they practice. For comparison, here are some other teams that practice in a different city than they play in. None of these list their practice field as their home. The anonymous IP might consider changing all of these as well.
Valley Ranch, TX Dallas Cowboys Practice Field
Arapahoe, CO Denver Broncos Practice Field
Hempstead, NY Jets and NY Giants Practice Field
Alameda, CA Oakland Raiders Practice Field
I can understand the love for Davie (at least back in the day when it was still horse country rather than townhome central), but a standard is a standard until you change the standard. I will leave it Davie, but suggest that one of the regulars make a choice and that the anonymous IP accept the decision. CodeCarpenter 18:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the anonymous IP, I thought I was logged in at the time. Neither the Jets or Giants play in New York, so location can be subjective. The Giants are based at Giant Stadium. The Jets are in Hempstead. If you call 411, and ask for the Miami Dolphins, you will ring a phone in Davie. Send a letter to the Miami Dolphins, with no other address and it will go to Davie. I think it should remain Davie, but will respect the opinon of others. I also object to the "Miami Gardens" page claiming to be the Home of the Miami Dolphins. Notfound 22:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the Miami Hurricanes page, gave me an idea for a further compromise. The Hurricanes are based in Coral Gables, but play their games in the Orange Bowl. The second and third sentences could be removed and moved to the spot where "City" is, since City is too general. "They play their home games in the Miami suburb of Miami Gardens at Dolphin Stadium. They are headquarted(sic) at the Miami Dolphins Training Facility in Davie, Florida."

Headquarters Miami Dolphins Training Facility Davie, FL
Home Stadium Dolphin Stadium Miami Gardens, FL
This could be carried over to the other multi-location teams with little difficulty. IMO, of course. CodeCarpenter 22:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I beleive that the "City" tag is too vauge. I found this to be true at other NFL team sites as well. Could CodeCarpender's idea be incorperated into the "template" for all the nfl sites? Would there be any value in adding the mailing addresses? Notfound 12:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiality

The article says:

The Miami Dolphins recently held a radio contest in which the winner got to father a child to one of the Miami Dolphins cheerleaders. The winner was Justin Kryak, a 16 year old from Georgia. They have decided to name the child "Galactoid" in rememberance of our extra-terrestrial ancestors.

is this an example of Stephen Colbert's wikiality? Funkyj 18:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

nah, just a 16 year old boy's fantasy. I had already removed it. At least he aim's high.... CodeCarpenter 18:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Fish? Nickname...

I do not recall the fans of the Dolphins calling them the Fish. I believe, starting with the regular season at New England game in 1986 (when they first started saying "Squish the Fish") that the Fish is a derogatory term for the Dolphins. I would not expect to see the Aints, Dolts, Brownies, Kittens, Cowgirls, Gnats, Patsies, Traitors, Foreskins, Viqueens, etc. on their page, so I figure the Fish should be removed unless you folks recall using the Fish in a positive way. CodeCarpenter 18:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, the nickname Fish is not used by Dolphins fans and the team is called the Fins by fans. Fish is used particularly by fans from the Jets, Patriots and Bills and in a negative manner. I agree it should be removed. Any objections? Evill72 20:12, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I've heard people say Fish. I've also heard broadcasters and sportscenter anchors say it.Chris Nelson 20:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I personally never heard it used by anchors or broadcasters, except if they show an opposing team's fan with a sign or banner stating "Squish the Fish." Dolphins fans don't use fish, I live in Miami and been a fan of the eam for 20 + years and never have I seen or heard another fan say "Fish" when referring to the team. I have seen "Fins" used by the team and broadcasters alike. A good example is the local tv show Fins TV. Now the Marlins are referred to as "Fish" by the team itself, broadcasters and fans. This makes sense since a dolphin is mammal and a marlin is a type of fish. Evill72 20:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I have heard some TV sportscasters in South Florida refer to the fins as the fish. Please, if any of our local stations ever catch one of these muckrakers refering to our beloved fins as fish, please suspend them with out pay for a week and then fly them to Hawaii to spend a whole month with the charming Jake Scott.

Somebody added the Fish on there AGAIN! I guess that is the problem when Patriot fans have to take their frustration out on somebody! j/k I will remove it, again. CodeCarpenter (talk) 21:34, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm re-adding it since it is a nickname.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 22:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Team Colors

According the a paper copy of the media guide, (ie, no link available), the official colors are now Aqua, Coral, White, and Navy. The namvy was added as an accent around the ouside of the numbers. Some folks have been fiddling with the colors, but those four, in that order, should be the correct colors. However, with no link, I will not make the change. CodeCarpenter 20:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Playoff Appearances

I figure that a line under the list of AFC East Champion years should be a list of Wild Card years, in order to show the other years the Dolphins were in the playoffs. CodeCarpenter 20:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Last NFL team to have two consecutive losingseasons

I found the sentence int he intro identifying the dolphins as the only NFL team not to have two consecutive losing seasons is be out-dated considering the latest loss. I doubt that the statement was really true, and I don't feel like going through the year-by-year records, but assuming it was, it is not now, since the dolphins are assured of a losing season now that they are 0-9. The best they could finish is 7-9, and they had a losing season last year as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dolfan1349 (talk • contribs) 01:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for comment

Please note the Outsider Opinions section below

Should section headings dealing with specific time periods contain statements such as "Success and rebuilding" or "Marino era?"

I think simply using the time periods as section titles is sufficient. Having titles for each time period seems subjective and adds unnecessary commentary. Many of these section titles (not just in this articles) seem unencylopedic and out of place. Marino Era Part II? Struggles and rebuilding? Looking through a sample of NFL team articles, most don't have these "commentary" titles. For teams that have moved (e.g. St. Louis Rams, Arizona Cardinals) I think it makes sense to include the city name in the section title (St. Louis Rams (1995-present) ). Chaz ^Beckett 02:07, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Is there really any doubt that the Perfect Season, the Super Bowls or Marino were not the most significant events/people in the franchise's history in each decade? Give me a break. We all know that every single football fan, if asked to name the biggest accomplishment by the Phins, they'd say the perfect season and Super Bowl. And we all know Marino is the greatest player in franchise history. There is no harm in this because we can ALL agree they are the most accurate.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 02:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but that still doesn't address the point. That is everyone's opinion. Not a universal fact. Pats1 ^T/C 03:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

So? If no one will visit the page and think the heading is wrong, what's the issue?►Chris Nelson^Holla! 03:11, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I think the whole "Earth is flat" issue would be appropriate here. Or, perhaps, Napoleon: "History is a set of lies agreed upon." Pats1 ^T/C 03:14, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

play by the rules! (somebody wanna sign this for me, i dont want too) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.70.214 (talk) 03:16, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, yes, perfect timing. Here is what WP:NPOV has to say: "The policy requires that where multiple or conflicting perspectives exist within a topic each should be presented fairly. None of the views should be given undue weight or asserted as being judged as "the truth", in order that the various significant published viewpoints are made accessible to the reader, not just the most popular one. It should also not be asserted that the most popular view, or some sort of intermediate view among the different views, is the correct one to the extent that other views are mentioned only pejoratively. Readers should be allowed to form their own opinions." Pats1 ^T/C 03:19, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

But there are no conflicting perspectives, outside of the biased (i.e. Mark Clayton's son, etc.)►Chris Nelson^Holla! 03:21, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

As WP:NPOV says, "Let the facts speak for themselves." In other words, 1972: Perfect season is fine, but 2000: Struggles and Rebuilding is not. 2007: 0-13...16? (sorry, couldn't resist :)) record would be fine. WP:NPOV also says this: For instance, "John Doe is the best baseball player" is, by itself, merely an expression of opinion. One way to make it suitable for Wikipedia is to change it into a statement about someone whose opinion it is: "John Doe's baseball skills have been praised by baseball insiders such as Al Kaline and Joe Torre," as long as those statements are correct and can be verified. The goal here is to attribute the opinion to some subject-matter expert, rather than to merely state it as true. A different approach is to substantiate the statement, by giving factual details that back it up: "John Doe had the highest batting average in the major leagues from 2003 through 2006." Instead of using the vague word "best," this statement spells out a particular way in which Doe excels. There is a temptation to rephrase biased or opinion statements with weasel words: "Many people think John Doe is the best baseball player." But statements of this form are subject to obvious attacks: "Yes, many people think so, but only ignorant people"; and "Just how many is 'many'? I think it's only 'a few' who think that!" By attributing the claim to a known authority, or substantiating the facts behind it, you can avoid these problems." Pats1 ^T/C 03:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

doesn't mean yoU're views are fact baby —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.70.214 (talk) 03:23, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Your examples don't compare to the headings in question.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 03:33, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

How so? Pats1 ^T/C 03:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

You're just being difficult. You're the only one that'd have a problem with this. I know you agree with the titles regarding the significance of the subjects, and you know if you left it alone no one else would care to change it.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 03:51, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with them, but again, that's my opinion. WP:NPOV has to be followed here though. I make changes to pages as such everyday, just so happens I made them to this article a few days ago. So, in the words of BB, it is what it is. Pats1 ^T/C 04:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

The descriptions of each "era" seem to serve no purpose but to present an opinion about what's important about each one. They violate NPOV. (I'd add that the redundancy between this article and History of the Miami Dolphins needs to be resolved, presumably by turning this History section into a stub.) - JasonAQuest (talk) 04:10, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Outsider Opinions

Let's take into account differing style with regards to how people label things. While 19XX-19XX could be considered as Marino's golden years or a time of rebuilding the team, they don't encompass the entire era. That said, they have their place in Wikipedia as headings if they are stated as a brief summary of the section/subsection. As an example, "Marino Era" is not very accurate for covering the timespan of his career with the Dolphins: though he was the QB, others came & went during that timeframe. IMHO, years would simply give more perspective as section headings for large swaths of time, though subsections can be individually labeled if they exclusively discuss a certain issue (if you talk about Dan Marino exclusively for 3 paragraphs, a subsection entitled "Marino era" is perfectly acceptable. Hope that helps! — BQZip01 — ^talk 00:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

My one and only concern is that the label headings are WP:OR. If they are known and accepted labels for periods of Dolfins history, then we should use them by all means. If not (and I assume not—unless football eras are contemplated like Picasso's Blue period), we should stick to years. Subheadings to discuss particular topics within particular periods, as suggested by the user above, would also be fine. Cool Hand Luke 01:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jerseys are wrong?

The Dolphins never wear aqua at home, and if they do, its for rare occasions. White jersey and white pants should be home as well as the away, with Aqua jersey and white pants for an alternate. The team ditched the orange jerseys a few years ago —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.233.94.156 (talk) 20:51, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

You're right for the most part. I've spoken to the creator of the image but haven't heard back from him. This is how the Dolphins' jerseys work - aqua-on-white is only worn at home night games, while white-on-white is worn during day home games because of the heat. They also used to wear white-on-aqua on the road all the time, but now they primarily where white-on-white there as well. They wear aqua-on-white on the road if the home team chooses to wear white.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 20:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

They wear aqua at home during night games. Jalmeyda70 (talk) 21:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)George Almeyda

But for the majority of night games, as well as away games, they wear white. And the orange has to go as well, as its pretty defunct. The team hasn't worn in orange in a few years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.148.159.80 (talk) 04:45, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, when they wear their white kit, don't they wear their mainly aqua socks, rather than the striped ones in the picture. I can't find a single example picture of them wearing striped socks with the white on the internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.102.92.23 (talk) 11:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

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