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[edit] Seven

Do we really need to have seven separate templates at the bottom of this article? (Another one was added today). We now have {{Miami}}, {{Miami Neighborhoods}}, {{Dade County, Florida}}, {{South Florida metropolitan area}}, {{Florida}}, {{USLargestCities}}, and {{USLargestMetros}}. Any thoughts about jettisoning a couple of these? I have some ideas, but I'd rather see what others say before I throw them out there. Horologium (talk) 01:18, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

There does seem to be a trend of giving more and more space in articles to templates and infoboxes, to the point that it is interfering with formatting and reading the articles. I would say in this particular case that we emulate the way hierarchies of categories are handled, and eliminate the South Florida and Florida templates, as Miami and Miami-Dade County are included in both of them. -- Donald Albury 02:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I thought about suggesting the elimination of the neighborhoods template, since there is a link to Neighborhoods of Miami, Florida on the {{Miami}} template, as well as a link to the same article in the "See also" section. Horologium (talk) 02:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
That would work, as well. -- Donald Albury 15:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
As there was no discussion on this issue for the past two weeks, I went ahead and deleted all three of the templates discussed above. If reverted, a discussion here would be appreciated and appropriate. Horologium (talk) 04:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Good article reassessment

As Chicago strives to regain its WP:GA status, it is looking at other comparable municipalities to strive toward. Unfortunately, this is not what I believe it should be striving toward. The WP:LEAD is more than the max four paragraphs and large blocks of text are uncited. I do not consider this article any better than Chicago, which was duly delisted.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 14:59, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

This article was nominated for good article reassessment to determine whether or not it met the good article criteria and so can be listed as a good article.

I am now delisting this article based on support for speedy delisting at WP:GAR Please see the archived discussion for further information. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 03:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Capital

im trying to do a report on miami and i need to no if it is the capital of florida.can u tell me Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.136.255.77 (talk) 21:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

No, Tallahassee, Florida is. See the Florida article. -- Rai-me 21:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Everyone always thinks Miami is the capital of Florida, it's okay, it happens many times. --Comayagua99 (talk) 22:39, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What's with the Greek pronunciation symbols?

Neither I, nor anyone I know is familiar with this: Miami (pronounced maɪˈæmi or maɪˈæmə) bizarre alien pronunciation guide. How is this of any use to the average person? Shouldn't we use the more classical dictionary way so at least a somewhat educated person could get something from it? As it stands now it may as well be an engraving on an alien spacecraft. - Marc Averette (talk) 22:23, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I think it's safe to say, most people know how to pronounce "Miami", it's a major global city. It's a bit unnecessary to include the pronunciation guide when it doesn't do just that; guide. --Comayagua99 (talk) 22:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
It's the International Phonetic Alphabet, which is great for those for whom English is not a first language, and for those who are more familiar with other writing systems (Cyrillic, Greek, Kanji, Han, etc). It's not as convenient to AmE speakers, but to everyone else, it's a good thing™. It is the preferred method of describing pronunciation, as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (pronunciation). Horologium (talk) 23:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Most other US cities have this pronunciation guide, so I don't see why Miami shouldn't. As Horologium stated, there are many readers who will find this information useful. -- Rai-me 23:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I was under the impression that this was the 'English' Wikipedia. If someone has another native tongue, shouldn't they use one of the other Wikis? - Marc Averette (talk) 01:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Not necessarily; they "should" use whatever Wikipedia they want, and for readers with another native tongue learning English, that may very well be the English Wikipedia. -- Rai-me 01:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Who keeps on including the "maɪˈæmə" pronunciation? That is an affectation used by no more than a few percent of the population--mostly non-natives trying to sound native. There is no natural accent which supports that pronunciation(contrary to some belief, it is not southern). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.68.177 (talk) 21:58, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Affectation or not, it is a recognized pronunciation, and is used by natives as well as transplants trying to sound native. Horologium (talk) 22:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Recognized by whom? How about including the "mi'aemi" Latin pronunciation, which is not only more popular, but has the advantage of legitimacy?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.68.177 (talk) 17:13, 2 May 2008

Many older (80+ years) people (including my grandparents native to the Florida Keys) pronounce it 'my a muh'. I (born & raised here) have always pronounced it 'my a me'. - Marc Averette (talk) 21:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sister Cities

Murcia (Spain) is sister of Miami since 1994, I do not know why it is unknown by Miami's council. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.121.35.234 (talk) 22:50, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

You need to find a source for that statement, probably the Munipality of Murcia website, and add to the article with the source. For now, I have sourced the list better, and I have tagged the unsourced two cities that I found [1] --Enric Naval (talk) 01:09, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Languages

Miami is DOES NOT have largest Spanish-speaking population in the Western Hemisphere outside Latin America as the article claims. Los Angeles with a population of over 4 million has far more spanish speaking residents than Miami. And if you follow the citation used for that statement you will see that it does not say anything about Miami having the "largest Spanish-speaking population in the Western Hemisphere outside Latin America" like the article claims. The reference does not say anything like that but just states people speak spanish in Miami. Somebody needs to correct this. 66.105.33.6 (talk) 22:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Quoting directly from the cited source: Miami has the largest number of Spanish speakers in the western hemisphere outside Latin America. (First paragraph, fourth sentence.) If you can find a citation that contradicts that, please provide it. Horologium (talk) 23:58, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Crime in Miami

I have read and heard a lot about Miami's crime rates. From what I have learned, Miami's crime rates, particularly the murder rates today are nowhere near as high as they were in the early 1980s (the height of what is now known as the "Miami Vice" decade.) For example, in 1982, Miami reported 600 murders per year, which would constitute a murder rate of a technically unreal 172.9 per 100,000 people (in 1984, Miami was officially dubbed "America's murder capital" by the FBI.) Miami's murder rate in 2006; about 19.5 per 100,000 people. Darthvader1 (talk) 03:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Crime

Thye crime information that was shown was way off. Miami doesnt even rank in the top 25 anymore and the metro area is not second. Its all old information.JulianM09 (talk) 02:21, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Miami is now the 4th largest Urban area in the U.S. !

I'm not sure how to state this in the opening paragraph with the proper reference below, so could somebody please do the honors of placing it there? Both of these links below are the populations lists that the NYC page uses, and they both say that Miami is number four. I think that the Urban Agglomeration page is more impressive looking. If somebody smart can update the page properly, I'd appreciate it! Thanks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_agglomerations_by_population http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_by_population —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miamiomar (talk • contribs) 02:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Financial Capital of the Americas

This doesn't make sense to me at all. I would think that this would be New York City. Any sources saying otherwise? 98.212.165.97 (talk) 16:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I took a look at that. A Google search for "Financial Capital of the Americas" Miami -wikipedia returned only 19 hits, none of which were reliable sources, except for an article from the Miami Herald, in which the reporter was quoting a Miami business leader (which isn't reliable either). The other hits were PR releases, advertisements, or discussion forums. I removed that statement from the article, since it isn't really crucial to the sentence it was in, and appears to be PR fluff. Horologium (talk) 17:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Off-topic personal attacks.

I noticed that an anonymous person was recently posting unrelated personal attacks on the Miami article against a user named Marc Averette (accusing him of being a terrorist supporter and hating Asians). The accusations/comments look like bulls**t to me, but what's the story behind it? Urvon7000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Urvon7000 (talk • contribs) 18:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Three Official Languages?

Does anyone have a source for Miami having three official languages of English, Spanish, and Haitian Creole? I notice in the government websites and other Miami sites that a lot of things are translated into those three languages, but have they really been designated as official or is it just a practice? I've just never heard of a city having an official language, but it'd be nice to provide a source so that we can take the fact tag off. Kman543210 (talk) 00:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)