Template talk:Mfd

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Could someone please explain what the purpose of the '1' in the template's name is? Vacuum c 15:47, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Multi-nom problem 2 Green background 3 Samples 3.1 officialambox style 3.2 current 3.3 Sample 1 4 Visibility 5 Ambox 6 Improve with doc page 6.1 Editprotected 7 Cleaning up the instructions

[edit] Multi-nom problem

There's some breakage here when passing a parameter for a multiple-nomination such as {{subst:md1|foo}}: the "the page's entry" link obeys the passed parameter but the "Maintenance" notes do not. DMacks 03:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

As far as I can see, it's just the md3 link in the maintanence section that needs changing; it should be {{{1|{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}} rather than just {{FULLPAGENAME}}. --ais523 10:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

md2 link there also. DMacks 15:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

{{Editprotected}} change made. CMummert · talk 16:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks! DMacks 17:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Green background

After this template was converted to {{ambox}}, the green background was restored with the comment "needs to stand out in various name spaces". Offhand, I'm not convinced the red bar doesn't stand out enough, and the current colors look like ketchup on pistachio ice cream. Can we switch this thing to a white background?--Father Goose 22:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm all for removing the red bar, this isn't an article template after all. — xaosflux ^Talk 01:32, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

The last version before that seemed rather stable, with only minor format changes in almost a year. — xaosflux ^Talk 01:33, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

It isn't an article template, no, but I think there's something to be said for having all the deletion templates use a similar style, and the ambox style is surprisingly well-liked considering how much of a departure it is from our previous styles.--Father Goose 05:21, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Some amboxes are shown on non-article pages. This template was amboxed to make it more in line with {{AfD}}. I don't like eiter shade of green, just changed it to a less nausiating shade (though ketchup on pistachio really isn't that apatizing either). The red bad certainly sticks out enough and is very recognizable. I propose changing the background back to standard ambox grey. — Edokter • Talk • 01:44, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Samples

[edit] officialambox style

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[edit] current

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[edit] Sample 1

This one uses the classic green, but does away with the ketchup: ?

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Since it is deletion related, the green bar is 'out of spec' I'm afraid. And since the ambox standardisation was primarerly devised to do away all the different background colors, I still think it should just be grey. — Edokter • Talk • 09:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

(edit: added 'official' style) — Edokter • Talk • 09:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Visibility

In at least one other place a reference to Template:Ifd was made. This type of template does stand out very well, with a full border. MFD notices are important to EDITORS, unlike Article Notices which are equally important to READERS and EDITORS. MFD is by it's nature not a part of what we present to researchers and readers, as it's not used in those namespaces where we are trying to maintain a certain style. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ambox

Apparently, AzaToth is not happy with the ambox style and reverted the changes, though i think with a non-reason. Just because the template is not shown in article space, doesnt mean all attemtps to give this template a much needed restyling should be reverted. I have made a proposal much like the Ambox project; Deletion message boxes. Please head over and give your input. — Edokter • Talk • 15:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes the restyling is needed, but ambox is meant for use in ARTICLE space. A design unique to the project space (or any other space MFD handles) would be more appropriate. FunPika 16:07, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

(Repeating what I've said elsewhere) - I would support a standard look for all the deletion templates.

And they can be, the issue is a question of being able to easily notice them outside the wall-o-cleanup. And I think giving them a different background shading (though of a different colour than the speedy templates), and a full border (see Template:Ifd), and at least linespace between them and the wall, would work. They should be at the top of the page (but a linespace below protection - which also should have a full border). As far as I can tell, all of this is possible with ambox. - jc37 16:20, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Improve with doc page

Can someone please update this with a doc page which boils out the appropriate instructions. There is no reason with WP:DPP and WP:DOC that any template shouldn't have clear usage instructions one can access with {tl|Lts}} or {{tl}}, and the attempt to incorporate some guidelines at the bottom of the template is a dismal failure... the fonts far too small to read sans sufficient detail. The best solution would be for the doc page (Wikipedia:Guide to deletion, which I now must wade through) to be written so that the guideline page includes that, giving a consistent one source place to change! Sheesh! // FrankB 23:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editprotected

{{editprotected}}

Purpose—excise redirected template names, 

so we clueless occasional users can follow along without extra link hops... plus add some useful usage rather very belatedly!

note md2 redirects to mfd2, md3 to mfd3, user should add either mfd OR mfdx, not both, so making 'that' plain too.

The usage note parrallels the changes I added to {{Mfd2}} and {{mfd3}} already.

Thanks // FrankB 23:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Y Done — xaosflux ^Talk 23:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Reworded the documentation slightly, but also included it via {{documentation}} so it can be freely updated now. — xaosflux ^Talk 23:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleaning up the instructions

On {{Afd}}, there is a nice clean section at the bottom of the template listing the instructions as such:

Steps to list an article for deletion: 1. {{subst:afd}} 2. {{subst:afd2|pg=Afd|cat=|text=}} ~~~~ (categories) 3. {{subst:afd3|pg=Afd}} (add to top of list) 4. Please consider notifying the author(s) by placing {{subst:adw|Afd}} ~~~~ on their talk page(s).

I would like to mimic that format on this template for clarity. Specifically, this template does not include a reference to {{MFDWarning}}. Thoughts?--12 Noon 17:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

{{editprotect}}

Please add at the bottom of the template the following text (code can can be copied from {{AfDM}}):

Please consider notifying the author(s) (insert link to history of page) by placing {{subst:MFDWarning|Article name}} ~~~~ on their talk page(s).

Regards.--12 Noon ^2¢ 21:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Y Done. east.718 at 23:34, January 15, 2008