User talk:Metros/Archive 10

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[edit] RE:User:Super Cyrus

What was with this guy, I had to go and delete have his contribs and block him. He seems to not like you very much. Just wondering what the deal is? – Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 02:04, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

*Shrug* I've blocked a lot of the socks of this user in the past, so, that's why I get to suffer his abuse I guess. Metros (talk) 02:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Figured as much, well I'm pretty sure I got all his contribs reverted or deleted. Cheers! – Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 02:08, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Huh, what?

I was congratulating a well-respected member of the community for the way they handled the situation. Corvus cornixtalk 03:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, well, in that case...go to his talk page and give a barnstar. Duh. Metros (talk) 03:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Heh. Corvus cornixtalk 03:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help with Metroid (series) review

I am currently reviewing Metroid (series) for GA status. I pointed out the fact that one section was waaaaay to long, and the article is on hold so that can be fixed. I was wondering if you could point out any other things that need to be fixed. I got in trouble once for passing an article that didn't have a fair use rational for one of it's images, and I don't want it to happen again, so I thought I should ask somebody to check it first and make sure all GA criteria are fulfilled. Epass (talk) 20:39, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lyrics

Why did you completely edit JASON SMITH i don't understand why you took out all of that info??? it personally took me 45 minutes to write those lyrics, and then you delete them?? thats extremely rude and unnecassary. i would like you to undo that...

The lyrics are not necessary. In addition, those are his copyrighted lyrics, so we cannot put those in articles. Metros (talk) 06:41, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Advice

I was wondering, since you are an admin, if you could look over my contributions and tell me what I've been doing good and what needs to be worked on. I'm going to do another RfA soon and I need all the advice I can recieve. If you would do this, I would be especially gratefull. Thanks in advance. Undeath (talk) 23:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My post

I think it was inappropriate for you to delete my post. It was very rude.--Uga Man 04:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Why do you feel it is your duty to determine if I am running or not. I know I am running, I am ineligiable but I am still running. Why can't you just let Jimbo decide for himself if he wants to be my running mate?--Uga Man 04:23, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
It's a total misuse of Wikipedia talk pages to go and ask a person to run with you like that. If you really want to ask that, contact that person through email or phone. That's how this kind of "official" decision should be done. Metros (talk) 04:25, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Why are you trying to delete my user pages?--Uga Man 04:26, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
You really need to cool down. I understand you probably are having a bad day but there are no good reasons for you to go around deleting my userpages. I am sorry about whatever happenned to you but please don't take it out on me.--Uga Man 04:32, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Looks like others are having bad days too. Metros (talk) 04:35, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
The last diff was from a troll and YOU are the one who nominated the stuff for deletion.--Uga Man 04:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I did nominate those two, and so far there are people who agree with it. So, clearly this isn't just one guy "having a bad day". Metros (talk) 04:40, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deal?

If I rewrote the campaign userpage giving details of the "campaign" like a wikipedia article rather than a campaign website and stopped asking Jimbo about being my "running mate" would you withdraw the nomination? If not please explain to me what I could do to prevent it from being deleted.--Uga Man (talk) UGA MAN FOR PRESIDENT 2008 05:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Neutralhomer

I'm not prepared to file a sockpuppetry case or any other formal accusation, as the edits of Tehunknown (talk · contribs) are still in their early stages. But, seeing as how this new user is editing heavily in areas of User:Neutralhomer's expertise and his first edit was to add Twinkle to his monobook.js has me a little more than suspicious. Just thought I'd give you a head's up. Happy editing. JPG-GR (talk) 09:19, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Oy, yes. What a post to wake up to. It does, indeed, look like a sockpuppet. Let's give it a bit to pan out and see what happens. Metros (talk) 12:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Metros323

Is this page really necessary? Basketball110 what famous people say ♣ 18:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Ask the person who created it trying to imitate this user. Metros had nothing to do with it. See the block log for that user. Dreaded Walrus t c 18:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay. Sorry. Basketball110 what famous people say ♣ 18:59, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and if you were wondering if it was necessary to have a redirect to this page from that page (which you probably were, in retrospect), this is quite a common practice when blocking impersonators of other users, or for usernames similar to those of an existing, well-known user. See all of the redirects to User:Jimbo Wales, for example. Dreaded Walrus t c 19:02, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Look out

4User:3tonsoup sock! —Remember, the Edit will be with you, always. (Sethdoe92) (drop me a line) 21:18, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SunStar Net

Please see my talk page - User_talk:Sarah#Unblock. I'm pretty sure that Solumerias has conned an admin into unblocking (now reblocked) the IP and creating (or allowing him to create) a new account. May be worthwhile keeping an eye on the account. The story this person has passed on is the exact same story that Solumerias was trying to peddle to the unblock list last month after I first blocked the IP. Cheers, Sarah 11:16, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Boyd (wrestler)

Please do not remove comments from AFD discussions. It almost invariably does far more harm than help. I concede that the comments you removed were incivil and unhelpful to the discussion at large. Arguably, they constituted a prohibited personal attack. Please trust the other discussion participants to see through the trolling and to weight the comment appropriately.

Worse though, when you removed the hostile comment, you left no placeholder on the page documenting your action. Simply removing the comment without leaving any trace of your action creates confusion among new users and unnecessary hostility among all the participants. If you absolutely must remove a blatant personal attack, you should always leave a note on that page saying so. (The format Personal attack by user:foo removed by user:me timestamp is what I've seen most often.)

The other advice I would offer is that you should probably not do the monitoring on that particular discussion. As the nominator, you are too much of an interested party. Let other good-faith editors monitor and coach the discussion toward more civil discourse. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 06:49, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Duly noted. Turns out that (like I suspected) we were dealing with the sockpuppet of the author of the article. Metros (talk) 11:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Twaz

Good to see we're both keeping on top of things[1]! ;-) Ryan Postlethwaite 04:22, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Great minds...great minds... Metros (talk) 04:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Non-Admin Redirects

Hey Metros, I closed two AfDs today for merge/redirects both of them were clearly consensus and I was wondering if this is alright to continue. I don't intend to touch Deletes with a 10 foot pole after seeing your warning to Auto, as I had reservations about it in the first place... but if you could let me know about the redirects/merges I'd appreciate it. I want to help clear a little of the backlog.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 20:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd say only if it's very clear consensus. Metros (talk) 21:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lazyguythewerewolf

Hi, Lazyguythewerewolf is still making the same reverts to Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction that got him blocked for 3RR. While his account has only reverted twice since he was unblocked, this IP, 84.92.84.17 has made the same exact revert so I suspect it to be him. Is there anyway to block him again since he seems too stubborn to listen? Thanks, Strongsauce (talk) 20:49, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I've blocked the user again for 72 hours for the continued edit warring. Metros (talk) 21:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that. Strongsauce (talk) 22:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for de-sockpuppeting me. Naddington (talk) 21:24, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Of course. Sorry for that rude welcome. This vandal likes to add that sockpuppet tag to new users disruptively. Sorry for that; hopefully it doesn't deter you! Metros (talk) 21:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sweet

Thanks for the heads up. Will do in the future! Do the same for expand? --User:Twaz 17:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

For expansion requests, add a reason why you think it should be expanded to the talk page. So if it's a biography article about, let's say, a politician and you think it addresses his role well as a Senator but doesn't address his previous position as State Representative enough, you can explain that on the talk page. Metros (talk) 17:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Alright. So, first I notify the candidate. Assuming they approve, create a nomination page. And then answer the questions? Alot of learning, but I'm getting the hang of it. --InvisibleDiplomat666 17:54, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] report

I was told by you to resubmit them. I only submitted one out of two up to the that point. so why did you delete my second one about colfer? Uconnstud (talk) 20:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

You've submitted three reports today: 1, 2, and 3. 1 was declined as no action. 2 has 2 reverts listed, one by Jaysweet, one by Colfer2. 3 is a duplicate of 1 with Jaysweet's name replaced with Colfer2's in the header; all the diffs given there are by Jaysweet and not Colfer2. Metros (talk) 20:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
ok you declined no action and stated to submit them seperately. I submitted one, and admin stated that they were old. I didn't have enough time to respond before the no block was placed in. I didn't have the chance to say that I was under block by YOU so I couldn't respond without circumventing my block. The coffer only had to be fixed.. but he did edit war. The other two users weren't even warned, and I was blocked. They combined reverted 6 times with at least 4 on one and 2 on the other. I didn't heed your warning I actually went so formally.. Uconnstud (talk) 20:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the reverts on my user page and talk page. I haven't seen you about for a while - glad to see you in action. Best, Gwernol 20:59, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I've slowed down a lot, but I've found myself with a lot of free time in the last week or so; I doubt this will last much longer though. The slowdown will probably resume in a few days. Metros (talk) 21:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

- for this! ScarianCall me Pat 21:42, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Of course. Metros (talk) 21:48, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wow

That was quick! I'm guessing you have history with that editor? (Better you than me—I've been down a similar road before.) Nicely done. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 21:46, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Hah, yeah, it looks pretty obvious: same articles, same lack of citation, went straight to the sockpuppeteer's talk page, etc. Metros (talk) 21:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More Lazyguythewerewolf

Hi, I was wondering if you can block lazyguythewerewolf again? He is still editwarring on Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (hist) after coming off his block. Strongsauce (talk) 23:51, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] what article

you didnt mention what article.--Iwilleditu (talk) 19:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

National FFA Organization. Metros (talk) 19:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
ok --Iwilleditu (talk) 22:02, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Ag-Ed

You recently comment me on my proposal saying it should be a task Force and i agree so if you dont mind commenting on my propsal for a task force at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Agriculture#Proposed_Ag-Ed_Taskforce thankyou. :) --IwilledituHi :) 23:19, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of ThunderClan

Hi. You recently deleted the article for ThunderClan. I know you suggested to take the case to WP:DRV, but as that page said to talk with the admin first, that is what I'm doing. I understand why previous versions of the article have been deleted - they were in-universe fancruft. However, the version I have prepared for Wikipedia (see my sandbox) is out of universe and as far as I can tell, not fancruft. Could you please take another look? Thanks a lot, Shrewpelt (talk) 14:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WHY!!??

Why did you delete vmy article. You are deleting all my articles. This is unfair!! ): ):-- King Rock Go 'Skins! 21:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Which article? Metros (talk) 21:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
the DC Squash Academy one!-- King Rock Go 'Skins! 21:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Because it is not a notable organization. It's also just a vanity page for you to talk about how great your club is. Metros (talk) 21:59, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

!!! what ever-- King Rock Go 'Skins! 22:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

That kind of "I'm going to take my ball and go home because the mean man won't let me have my way" attitude won't go over so well here. I highly suggest you take time to read through our policies and guidelines on articles and then you won't see your articles deleted. Metros (talk) 22:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] sorry

i sorry for ticking off on you but lately all my articles have been delted and you just seem to be a part of the deletion-- King Rock Go 'Skins! 22:08, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Block of User:Concerned anon

Did you intend to block this user? It looks to me as though you got him confused with one of the trolls that was attacking User talk:Gavin.collins, but I thought I'd double-check before unblocking. Thanks. Hersfold (t/a/c) 04:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I just believe he's attached to the trolls attacking Gavin Collins. It's highly suspicious for a user to register to say that as the attack is happening. Metros (talk) 04:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Metros. I just went ahead and unblocked; see post on ANI. I think it ends OK now, and I do understand why you blocked in the first place. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 05:29, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:English836

I'll certify an RfC if you start one; I've looked a little deeper into his contribution and, as they stand, he's a liability rather than an asset to the encyclopedia. He either needs to readjust the way he contributes or be made to readjust. — Coren (talk) 00:08, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll be a bit busy for the next few days, but I'll try to put a draft together by week's end. Metros (talk) 01:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Metros. I have not spoken to you before, but was approached by English836 early today with regards to the Beekman Fire District article and yourself. He feels you pick on him and before filing any RfCs I thought we should try to see if we can talk this out. Are you happy to try to discuss this, and if it fails to take it to RfC? Tiddly-Tom 00:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Discuss what? His actions are questionable, his lying is ridiculous, and his fear of my "stalking" is overblown. If he created appropriate articles, didn't lie about his actions, didn't make up sources, didn't lie about what sources do and don't say, then we might not have these issues. Looking at his planned RFC about me, I'd say maybe one, possibly two, of the diffs he lists could be construed as partially out of line. If you want the real issue here, look at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive393#Blatant_lies_of_English836. There is a load of evidence there of his actions (both under English836 and his previous names of Mgarnes2 and NightRider63) being wholly inappropriate.
See Wikipedia:STALK#Wikistalking. None of what I am doing is out of line. I am more than welcome to review his contributions, especially in cases where "errors or violations of Wikipedia policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles" occurs. His edit history proves he has violated policy, across numerous articles. So, no, I do not think there is anything to discuss about my actions, but rather, about his issues. Metros (talk) 01:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
And I'm sure he'll deny any connection between himself and NightRider63/Mgarnes2, but the edit histories are blatantly obvious. And the fact that you just called him Matt only further confirms this. Metros (talk) 01:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I've never been to RfC, but don't you need two users to try and fail to resolve the same dispute? From those linked on English836's draft RfC I see two violations of assume good faith and one uncivil edit summery. Tiddly-Tom 13:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
The blatant self-evident lack of assuming good faith is off base. He fails to assume good faith, some of his edits that I pointed out on my RFC are definitley un-civil, and ill timed. As soon as I came out from not editing, and started working on articles, he HAD to start up again, because he holds grudges, another violation of Wiki policy. I see so many problems with this.--English836 (talk) 14:26, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Like I said, the issue lies in your editing. If you didn't have such issues, would we be having this problem? No. But as I explicitly detailed, you lie, you edit in conflicts of interest, you create articles with questionable notability (which is why I AFDed your article on Depot Hill, on 207, on Sleep Tech, and on Grandpa Eisen). note: this "Grandpa Eisen" line is about the fact that Leonard Eisen is the grandfather of this user (see [2]) and not a statement on his age as this user has suggested that was a personal attack against Eisen. Metros (talk) 15:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
That first link you provide is far from anti-AGF. In fact, it was me attempting to be helpful. He seemed to express a desire to step away from Wikipedia under his previous account. So when he returned under this one, I was just pointing out to him that others realized who he was and that if he didn't want to be connected to his previous accounts, he should change up his editing. And yes, RFCs required two to certify, but that's an issue that you can bring up with him since he's the one creating the RFC draft right now. Metros (talk) 14:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm speaking to you right now, so is he so that makes two ;) I'm not going to say that English836's editing is perfect, but it is obvious his intents are 6good. Tiddly-Tom 16:47, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Well open the RFC then. Metros (talk) 16:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm trying to avoid the use of a RfC but if we can't get anywhere with this I think it will be inevitable. Tiddly-Tom 16:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
What is the issue? At best I've said two things that could be taken as uncivil. I don't see any issue here; a lot of people get uncivil occasionally when they're frustrated. Would you agree that English836/nightrider63's actions have been inappropriate? You say he has had good intentions, but when is lying about sources ever a good intention? Metros (talk) 19:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

If English836 feels unhappy/annoyed about your action, that is an issue. Wether these concerns are well founded is a different matter. Some of English836's actions have been inappropriate. By good intentions, I mean he wishes to improve the encyclopedia rather than damage it. Tiddly-Tom 19:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

You are both welcome to start an RFC, but I don't see what will arise out of it. Metros (talk) 19:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:MECU

Hey metros. Yeah, I would definitely say I vandalized Mecu's article, but only because he decided to mess with my articles. If my images are already marked as public domain (us gov), why is he messing with them?! I hate to be so unprofessional, but if he's too dumb to check the link on the main page, he shouldn't have the rights to flag everything that he runs into. Apparently, I'm not the only person who has had that problem with him [[3]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimmyjones22 (talk • contribs)

His actions were correct. You never provided a source for the photo. Please stop insulting other users. Metros (talk) 03:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
It's insulting to have legitimate images removed. It frustrates me to no end that all my work can be flushed at the click of a button by someone on the other side of the planet who probably didn't even read over my article or make any constructive edits at all. Why did wikipedia even allow me to upload the images in the first place? (which was over a year ago) It seems to me that they were legitimate until today.

You guys should consider changing the upload process so that images uploaded have required fields to be filled (such as the source, permissions). As far as I was concerned over a year ago, when I clicked the little "public domain" and "US government images" it was good to go. Otherwise, why would wikipedia allow me to upload it? Doesn't this reflect the failings of wikipedia as much as it does mine? Anyways, I'm just severely irritated. Feel free to respond/ignore to this semi-legitimate rant. Jimmyjones22 (talk) 05:35, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Me again. Please read User:MECU talk page and view my latest contribution. I would like some type of feedback on this issue. Oh, and thanks for 24 hour cool off period, as strang as that sounds. I seriously needed that time to cool my temper down (>_<) Jimmyjones22 (talk) 12:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I responded to your post. Feel free to join in. I feel these are valid points that need to be addressed. Jimmyjones22 (talk) 13:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I have the feeling i'm being ignored, but that's ok. Here's my response.
Aggravation on my part? I'm sorry to have involved you, Metros - you obviously are in the dark about what has been going on and how this is going to effect wikipedia contributors. I imagine it must be difficult to see things from a non-admin point of view. I'll try to break it down -
1) Admin X leave message saying X images will be deleted
2) if someone is here to contest it, article may be saved, if they are absent for a week, images are lost.
3) Either way, you have disgruntled users who have had their valuable contributions violated.
Flagging images isn't going to solve the problems - a change in the upload process and having people that find the problem take initiative to fix the problem is. When I first uploaded my images six months ago, I put a government tag on them. What was the point of this if I also have to go into the comment section and write the same thing that the government tag says it is? Anyone could just as easily lie for both and get away with it. You should seriously start to change this redundant policy - no one every found common sense in a rule book. Jimmyjones22 (talk) 14:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry(again)

you seem to be done with me and i can understand but can you please accept my appology. I know I was wrong for accusing you and being just upright wrong and I appoligize. If you dont accept my appology just rememeber I am sorry and hope there are no hard feelings-- King Rock Go 'Skins! 21:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] RFC

WP:AN#Cabals, part 2. There's an RFC in the making. Just notifying you in case you don't check AN, as I'd like to have the entire community (or at least a lot of opinions) in this. Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 21:03, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Notability of Corder Drum Co.

I'm trying, Metros. But it's difficult to find references because it's such an old company. Just don't delete it yet-it'll take a few days to find all the refs I need. --Gp75motorsports REV LIMITER 23:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Future of KH

I have added refrences and i am updated the article as we speak just give me some time to finish it.-- King Rock Go 'Skins! 02:15, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Those sources you've provided are not reliable. They are all fan cites or things you've noticed in videos. It's essentially all unreliable and original research. Metros (talk) 02:17, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

thanks for the info I try and look for more reliable sources and I saw that argument you had with that guy that said I was trolling. I not sure what happened and I would like to know.-- King Rock Go 'Skins! 02:24, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't bother. It was just a bunch of nonsense on his part. Metros (talk) 02:25, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your comment on east's talk page

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Diligent Terrier/Adoption Program. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 04:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re Cabal/WikiProject

hank you for correcting me. I appreciate it very much. Nothing444Go Irish! 22:11, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Replied

I replied at the Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Boston Red Sox/Scouting Office. Cheers.--RyRy5 Got something to say? 04:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] suggestions?

Since you removed my entry from the AIV, I would like to know what should we do with the Rape of the World article. Revert it over and over again? As I said, I've sent multiple warnings to his IPs and he just won't listen or provide any reason for removing the content. I think he rather has a problem with someone else modifying his edits. Rainrem (talk) 22:38, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

You can bring it to WP:ANI for other views on it. But it isn't clear vandalism as far as I can tell. It looks like he has good intentions and parts of his edits there do make sense on different levels. Metros (talk) 22:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Now I did. I can see how it isn't "clear vandalism" but it's... well.. "unclear vandalism". I'm don't feel like fighting over this with him or anyone else so I'm going to let the people decide what's that best for him and the article Rainrem (talk) 23:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Well AIV is only for blatant vandalism, so it's better to investigate through the other noticeboards through this. Metros (talk) 23:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Apology

I apologize. I hope you understand. I'll stop now. I'm just so eager. You know, I created WP:LINY. But always listen to your elders (admins). Cheers, User:Nothing444 00:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Well considering I told you not to do it on three occasions... Metros (talk) 00:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
So you don't forgive me? User:Nothing444 00:30, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I didn't realize this was a forgiveness situation. Just follow the advice okay? Go edit articles for awhile. You're treating Wikiprojects like they're everything but they're not. Since you sent out the 3rd newsletter you've edited exactly two articles: one clean up and one redirect for deletion nomination. The goal of Wikiprojects are to work to create and maintain better articles about whatever the subject is; it is not sending out newsletters or having scouting offices. Metros (talk) 00:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

Sorry. Its nice to have you handy admins around. I'll fix that. Roasty Toasty (I am really Nothing444) 22:47, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Email

Replied. - Milk's favorite Cookie 01:00, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I understand. I ussually say "non-notable" or "per nominator". May I have a diff of when I didn't add a comment of why I voted? Also, what is canvassing?--User:RyRy5 01:29, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

...What I said it don't just add that. Add things instead of that. Metros (talk) 01:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
And canvassing is requesting the others support your viewpoint at a discussion such as you asking nothing444 to support your scouting page. Metros (talk) 01:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CU

Hi Metros, just wondering re NCdave if you were going to request a CU. I think this would be appropriate before concluding that it's him, since it could probably be any number of people. Regards, Mackan79 (talk) 03:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

See the response I just put in at the noticeboard thread. A check user is very likely going to be inconclusive. Metros (talk) 03:38, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I reset NCdave's block to its previous expiration date per ANI, and Raul654's CU which found that it was very unlikely that the new account is Dave's. Please let me know if you have any questions or wish to discuss. Thanks. KnightLago (talk) 14:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] nothing444

I'm a hockey fan;I'll contribute; just be nice and patient with me. Nothing444 00:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I, and others, have been patient with you. But since I first talked to you about these issues, you have not edited a single Long Island or a single hockey article yet you've created 4 Long Island and 1 hockey newsletter. This needs to end or it's possible that restrictions in a topic ban (i.e. only allowing you to edit articles and not Wikiprojects) will have to be discussed, Metros (talk) 01:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Outcast (Warriors)

A while ago you protected Outcast (Warriors) from creation (now it is a redirect). I understand why you protected it, after all of the recreations of the same article. However, I have now found references and info to make a new article that discusses the work, and I would please like it to be recreated. If you would like to see what it looks like, I'll put it up on my sandbox. Also, could you please reply to to my earlier question here about ThunderClan? Thanks a lot, Shrewpelt (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Take them both to DRV. Metros (talk) 21:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
But WP:DRV says to try to resolve the issue with the editor first. Shrewpelt (talk) 22:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
And your post here was your try so take it to DRV. Metros (talk) 22:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
OK, I will. Thanks again, Shrewpelt (talk) 23:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Boston Red Sox GA

I never before looked into the GA procedure, but I think {{GAReview}} could have saved us some extra steps. --Yooden ☮

What do you mean? Metros (talk) 21:51, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I had already failed and removed the article from the list and 4 minutes later you readded it at a different location on the list. Having a comment there that said "I'm reviewing this" wouldn't have helped anything because I had quick failed it and had already removed it from the page. Metros (talk) 21:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, an edit conflict then. However, I also wanted to fail it and wondered where it went all of a sudden. I expect failed articles to remain in the list for a time; am I wrong? --Yooden ☮
They are taken out as soon as they are failed. Metros (talk) 22:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I went through the process again, now I found this step. Sorry and thanks! --Yooden ☮

[edit] Deletion Review for Outcast (Warriors)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Outcast (Warriors). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Shrewpelt (talk) 01:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Justin Masterson

If you would have looked at the sources, especially the baseballcube page, you would have seen that Masterson was a member of an all star squad and therefore meets WP:Baseball standards for notability. Kinston eagle (talk) 03:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] User:ESCStudent774441 back...

since you were the blocking admin, he's at User:RogueKnight774441. Don't know that indef blocked users are allowed to just create a new name TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 01:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I see that. Metros (talk) 01:34, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Wasn't sure if you were aware. Was going to report to ARV and then saw you were the blocker and knew I'd run into you somewhere on someone's talk page so figured I'd give you the courtesy of handling it. It's almost too easy when people use a blatantly obvious suffix to make it easy to see it's the same person. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 02:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, the user sent an email too, so I was just here to check the situation out when I got your message here. Pretty obvious case, Metros (talk) 02:11, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Legal threats? Basketball110Talk 02:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I think over information is the norm here. Have a good day/night :) TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 02:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked

I see you blocked the sock puppet. But just a notice, User:ESCStudent774441 said that he would start a new account if he decide to return, and I don't think he knew that he would be blocked if he made another account. Comments?--User:RyRy5 01:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, now he's probably well aware of that. Metros (talk) 01:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I guess it's fair, but it seems sad for a user to be blocked without even knowing the rules for WP:SOCK. BTW, this is my 6000th edit.--User:RyRy5 01:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Who cares what edit # it is? And ignorance of the law isn't a defense for breaking the law. Metros (talk) 01:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I came across this block too. Reviewing User:ESCStudent774441's contributions, I see a lot of chatter about laws and free speech, but I'm having trouble finding explicit legal threats. Are there links listed anywhere? Also, I see that this user was blocked for legal threats, unblocked for recanting, and then reblocked. Given that he apparently still wishes to contribute, maybe we should clarify whether there is any such option open to him. Cheers, Bovlb (talk) 17:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

A lot of his legal threats took place off-Wikipedia. He has threatened to get a court order against all those who have blocked the account in the past and another order that says no one can ever block it again. This, plus the pattern of crying foul and suggesting that legal action needs to be taken adds up to a block. As for his return, he would have to explain his understanding of why legal threats are inappropriate, apologize for his past actions, and never do it again. I highly doubt this will happen though because he already has recanted in the past and he wound up doing it again. So I don't think any administrator would be willing to unblock. Metros (talk) 20:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Mmm-hmm. I'm a sucker for lost causes. Maybe I'll have one more try at explaining things to him, see if I can get through. Thanks, Bovlb (talk) 22:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I gave it a go. Let's see if he gives you a chance to say "I told you so." Bovlb (talk) 06:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity...why? What value do you see in him as an editor that you feel is worth giving him a third shot (sort of a forth shot actually, since he was given a chance to improve after his 24 hour block, but he didn't)? Looking at his contributions, I see 6 article edits, 3 of which were reverted. His other 3 are not prolific by any means (helpful, though). His talk page edits range from helpful to completely off-topic (he has 2 or 3 posts on the David Patterson page about his health...not Patterson's health, ESCStudent's health). Why do you think Wikipedia would benefit from giving him yet another chance? Metros (talk) 13:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, as WP:NLT says, "The Wikipedia community has a long-standing general principle that (almost) anyone is capable of reform. Accordingly, statements made in anger or misjudgement should not always be held against people for the rest of their lives once genuinely and credibly withdrawn.". I've seen a lot of users who get off on the wrong foot, and just seem to get hardened into misbehaviour no matter how sternly they're warned. No disrepect meant, but sometimes we just don't seem to explain things in a way that gets through, and I like to try my best to remedy that (although I can't claim to have a high success rate). For example, as RyRy5 notes above, although it seems obvious to us, this user seems genuinely unaware that there might be anything amiss with creating a new account to circumvent a block for legal threats. I have to wonder how that came to be. My note tries to blend friendliness and clarity, informing him of his options with the appropriate note of realism. At the end of the day, demonstrating that we'd benefit from giving him another chance is still up to him. Bovlb (talk) 14:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your assistance. I'm done. Bovlb (talk) 02:41, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Following

Hello. I have noticed that you have been following my edits during the past few days. Just a question, I'm I annoying you? Also, so you don't have to follow me all the time, maybe offering some tips may help.--Ryan (talk) 01:20, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I notice Metros is reverting some of your edits, with good reason. When users have to go back and check your edits to see if you're making mistakes, you should take that as a sign of needing to listen more carefully to the advice that countless people have given you. Plenty of people have offered you tips. This is a perfect example of why you should stop offering to "adopt" new users until your editing skills have improved. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 04:59, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I undersatnd. Metros... I'm sorry if I'm causing you to much trouble, reverting my edits. I will try to do better.--User:RyRy5) 05:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Do you know how much of a waste the whole discussion was regarding your friendbook? Seriously, that was ridiculous. You're lucky I have better patience that a lot of others. Plenty of administrators would have blocked you for that stupid little game you just played with the discussion. Metros (talk) 05:16, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MFD

I understand. I kinda was hoping for you to MFD it. It has nothing to do with wikipedia. If it was kept for a reason, I guess I wouldn't mind. Also, do you mind answering the question above?--User:RyRy5 04:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

What's the point of having the page if you know it's inappropriate? Metros (talk) 04:43, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User: Ksuwildcats10

I don't believe you should be able to tell me how I want my page. It's MY PAGE. I should be able to put on there things I want put in. Please leave me alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ksuwildcats10 (talk • contribs)

You're wrong in that regards. It is not your user page. No one owns pages on Wikipedia. Please see WP:USER and WP:NOT. We are not a place for you to host your personal resume and include excessive amounts of personal information. If you do not edit it down to a more appropriate level, it will be reduced by me. Metros (talk) 15:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, i felt he gave me the option, and I said thanks. but thanks for the suggestion. oh, and, since it seems you give me lots of advice already, would you like to adopt me? Nothing444 01:25, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't do adoptions, so no. Metros (talk) 01:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
well, thanks for giving me advice anyway. Nothing444 01:28, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Most wanted articles

I was reading up on wikipedia policies so that I may learn more here, and I came across this. Is it possible to create the articles here while being requested?--RyRy5 (talk) 01:59, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the point of the list. Metros (talk) 02:01, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I just found that out. Thanks.--RyRy5 (talk) 02:13, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

The Working Man's Barnstar
For working your butt off to keep the wiki awesome! ♥Shapiros10WuzHere♥ 13:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism is more than text edits alone

Whatever other policies eg WP:NPOV, WP:BLP etc do apply re User:BKLisenbee. His edits designed to mislead future and current editors are vandalism Opiumjones 23 (talk) 23:53, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

And those areas are not handled within AIV. Metros (talk) 23:53, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
where then re "His edits designed to mislead future and current editors are vandalism "Opiumjones 23 (talk) 23:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
This is a content dispute between you two as far as I can tell. Please don't go around calling each other vandals. Leave it to discussion on the noticeboard where it is now. Metros (talk) 00:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
ta Opiumjones 23 (talk) 00:08, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Warriors Stuff

Is There Anything I Can Do For The Warriors Pages?

[edit] Rollback

I don't know if you remember me or not, but you revoked my rollback a while ago. (long time sort of) I re-applied for it mainly because I found a rollback test (if that's what you want to call it, it's a basic read through to get to know the rollback function and where to use it and where not to use it). I know exactly what to do with rollback and what not to do and think that I'm ready for the tool. I know that what happened last time was my fault and I won't be doing that again. If you want to question me about rollback do's and don'ts, please ask away.(sort of like RfA) I do feel like I'm ready for the tool and feel like it would be a great help for me in my daily editing. (I edit music related articles, and recent changes so...yeah, lot's of vandalism) Thanks. Undeath (talk) 04:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I didn't take it away, Ryan Postlethwaite did. Metros (talk) 11:53, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Admin Tools

I was just curious to know what are some of the admin tools, King Rock Go 'Skins! 00:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Admin tools include things like blocking users, protecting pages, deleting images and articles, and granting rollback. You definitely should figure out more about these tools before you become involved in nominating people for adminship and commenting at other RfAs. Metros (talk) 01:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism?

My adopter seems to be busy so would like you to answer my question. Is removing a section with no reason in the edit summary vandalism?--RyRy5 (talk) 02:19, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Depends on the situation, but in a lot of situations, it is. Metros (talk) 02:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, and one other question. In the 3 revert rule, does it still count as an edit war if you reverted your own edit 3 times?--RyRy5 (talk) 02:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Take a look at WP:3RR and find the answer. It'd be a good idea for you to read such policies rather than just getting the answers out of others. Metros (talk) 03:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Immortals

I disagree with the proposed deletio for the immortals. My article is structured just like all of the articles for the books of the series. Look at the way the other articles and you will understand.User:Kingrock 23:18, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Note: That even though it's listed as an external link, my link provides all the information needed as a refrences explaining all the events(or most) to happen in the book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingrock (talk • contribs)

Just having the structure of an article doesn't make the subject ready for an article (nothing is known about this book other than a possible 2009 release and a plot summary). I can write an article on myself in the structure of other biographical articles and it wouldn't make me notable just because it "is structured just like all of the articles". Metros (talk) 23:28, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
But that one refrence gives that whole main plot making a structure for a pretty good article.User:Kingrock 23:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but we don't form Wikipedia articles on plots alone. Metros (talk) 23:37, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Black Wolf Society

My article does feature an refrence and even though is has no importance out of the book, it's just like Kingdom Hearts character article, that article also has nothing to do outside the game. If you dlete my article it would only make common sense to delete that article also.User:Kingrock 23:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The one reference relates to the context within the series, it does not relate to anything outside of the series. This is inappropriate for fictional articles. They must show why they are important beyond the pages of their book. Metros (talk) 23:28, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
But as I also pointed out earlier, unless you can show me where the KH characters article "show why they are important beyond the" game?User:Kingrock

[edit] Round Table TCG

This is one thing I dont like about editors(no offence intended.) If you see an article has bad grammar, bad speeling, and even typos etc. instead of planting a prod, why not fix it?! If there was a problem with my article why didn't u just fix it.!User:Kingrock 23:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Well if you actually took a second to read my prod reason, it has absolutely nothing to do with your grammar and typos. Metros (talk) 23:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
But if I may quote you, you said in your edit summary "proposed for deletion, typos"User:Kingrock 23:33, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes. It appears you're unfamiliar with the usage of commas in the English languages. Commas separate thoughts, especially in lists. That was a list of things I was doing to the article. I was proposing it for deletion, I was fixing typos, and I was taking out the fair use image. My reason for deletion is "No notability is shown for this subject outside of the book itself" as you'll see clearly on the template in the article. Metros (talk) 23:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay I'll just wait to see if my articles get deleted but I will give my argument on the discusion page thank you for having this convo with me! King Rock Go 'Skins! 23:39, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Articles about characters, orginizations and etc. in a book

You see, the reason why I have created so many articles about the grey Griffins series is so that i can expand coverage of the seires on wikipedia, make a couple of FA's and then create a strong task force for Wikiproject Novels.User:Kingrock 23:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Well those are lofty goals, but your articles still have to comply to our standards regardless of your goals. Metros (talk) 23:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
But the main question was that would it be a bad idea to make more articles about characters, orginizations and etc. in a book?User:Kingrock 23:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Unless you can prove their notability outside the topic, it's a bad idea. This is what happened to most of the Warriors articles (like your Tigerstar one). Metros (talk) 23:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NP

All the info on my article is now of Grey Griffins series delete Grey Griffins UniverseUser:Kingrock 01:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Done. Metros (talk) 01:39, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Now Grey Griffins must recieve a assement will you do it?User:Kingrock 01:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
no but it wouldn't be high at all. Metros (talk) 01:43, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Grey Grifs

Is the Grey Griffins article any better after my clean upUser:Kingrock 02:01, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Can you seriously stick to one section and not add a new section to this talk page whenever you want to say sonething else? It's very disorganized. Metros (talk) 02:11, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re Speedy

Well, if I was an admin I'd of speedied it. I know I've done things wrong, but do you have to point out anything? No offense, but I think you are overreacting. A missuse of words isn't something to get all excited about. User:Nothing444 02:50, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Uh, yes, yes I do. You claim you want help in being a better user, so I point out what you did wrong and you get pissed off? Seriously. Metros (talk) 02:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I really think you should adopt me per WP:AAU. Too bad you don't do adoption. User:Nothing444 03:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Right. Metros (talk) 03:09, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ANI

I have filed a report against you at WP:AN/I for your wording at User talk:RyRy5. I would suggest a clarification. Editorofthewiki 00:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I have no intentions of changing, modifying, or clarifying what I stated there. Perhaps you should follow the advice of others at the thread so far and drop it. Metros (talk) 00:49, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I have already asked to close it. Metros, I believe your a good contributer here. I do not look at you as a bad person, but a good, responcible admin and I respect that. Cheers.--RyRy5 (talk) 00:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
And I'm sorry for what I did, agreeing to file a report at the WP:ANI. I will try to always agree with your comments and suggestions from now on.--RyRy5 (talk) 01:06, 26 April 2008 (UTC)