Talk:Metroid Prime (creature)

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[edit] Cutscene

Does anyone think we should include a short bit on the cutscene accessable with a certain accomplishment, or would that be venturing a little too far into Spoilerland? --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 22:33, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)

The advantage of including it would be that it is kinda relevant. And from what I can guess of the videos of MP2:Echoes, what the cutscene reveals will be revealed in MP2, so it will probably be included in that article. However it is quite a large spoiler. Perhaps we could use ROT13 encoding to hide it? ___Ebelular 23:41, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I've thrown something together. If you want to scramble/unscramble using rot13, this site http://tools.geht.net/rot13.html has a JavaScript thing-a-ma-bob. That would result in somehting like:
When the game is finished there is a cutscene. The cutscene shown depends on what percentage of items the player has collected.
--- BEGIN ROT13 ---
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--- END ROT13 ---
That might do the job of including the content and still notgiving the game away. Though I'm not terrible pushed. As I said, it'll probably come up in afew months when MP2 comes out. It's a solution though.
____Ebelular 23:58, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hmm... is that standard practive for big huge spoilers for the Wikipedia? Maybe we should just wait until MP2 comes out and has been out for a while. If it does tell all, I should think the MP secret would be pretty happily situated where Sheik's secret identity now is thanks to Super Smash Bros. Melee. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 00:00, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)
Still if we do end up using that, I think it should be 'one hundred percent,' not the number 100%. Just my opinon. :) Sparky the Seventh Chaos 00:02, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)
I don't know how wikipedia handles spoliers beside the spolier tag. The only reason I though it might work is because you can hide text without needing any special tags or software or anything. I reckon we should wait. It's only a tiny clip, and not at all relevant to the first MP. ____Ebelular 15:06, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
If you go to the age on poilers at [1], it does mention ROT13 encoding, but "such encryption is unacceptable on a general purpose encyclopedia like Wikipedia." Guess we shouldn't use that then! ____Ebelular 15:11, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I see that the Metroid Prime 2: Echoes article sorta covers that spoiler, so I don't really see the need to include it here. ____Ebelular 20:30, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Merge disputed.

Yup, it sure is. I'm actually kind of neutral about this, though; either way it goes, I wouldn't mind overmuch. My main reason for keeping this separate from the main Metroid Prime article is that the main article deals mostly with the game itself; as an organizational thing, I think the title creatue is better off with its own article, much like we have separate Metroid and Metroid (video game species) articles.

On the other hand, we could do something similar to what the Ecco the Dolphin article does and have a "Metroid Prime the character" section someplace.

In this case, I do favor keeping the articles separated, but I wouldn't be too bothered if the decision ends up being to move this data to the main Prime article. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 22:16, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Regarding the EU version

I have the EU version, yet remember finding out in the game that they had captured Prime..

[edit] Deleted image

I deleted the image because there was no permission to use it.--Zxcvbnm 22:58, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hey...

Am I the ONLY one that thinks it's weird that in both games Prime is in, he seems to be dead, but is revealed to be alive in the 100% ending? LIII 22:57, 16 February 2006 (UTC)Luigi III

Well, I don't find it weird; It's just too clichè ;-). --ShadowJester07 15:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name Confusion

For a long time i have been wondering if Metroid Prime is known as "Metroid Prime", or "The Metroid Prime". Can you guys tell me what it really is? Thanks. (11987 06:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC))

To my knowledge, I can't remember ever seeing her name as "The Metroid Prime." As well, the games are called Metroid Prime 1/2/3, and any data/log book scans in the game say "Metroid Prime." Thus, I think it's safe to say that there is no "the" in her name. - Kalarchis 19:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. (11987 20:22, 29 June 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Possible relation to other mutant Metroids

I was wondering if it was possible that Metroid Prime was the final stage in the lifecycle of Phazon-mutated Metroids. Its core essence seems to be a development of Hunter Metroids. The fact that there is only one of them isn't that hard to overcome, as there was only one Metroid Queen in Metroid 2. Perhaps it has the Metroid Queen's position, but is more active. The mutant Metroids might have a lifecycle of Metroid-Hunter Metroid-Metroid Prime, possibly having Infant Metroid before Metroid. The Fission Metroid might have the same position as normal Metroids, or be a species of its own. The high Phazon relation of Metroid Prime compared to other mutant Metroids could be explained as a Hunter Metroid needing to consume a large content of Phazon energy to develop. What do you think?

Not bad, I also think Metroid Prime is the final stage in metroid/phazon development, but its speculation and shudnt be in the article. (11987 02:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC))

[edit] MP Origns

It's clearly stated in Chozo Lore that MP (along with all phazon) was born in some region of space within Chozo Lore.

  • The log "Cradel" states, "...Some creatures survive, but their forms grow as twisted";
  • The log "Meteor Strike" states, "We have returned to Tallon IV, borne here against our will by a great cataclysm from the reaches of space. A meteor came, casting a dark shadow of debris over the land with the violence of its impact. Though we perceived this from beyond space and time, it was but a curiosity: a brief flare in the universe. But the meteor brought with it corruption evil as the force that fell from the sky."

Therefore, the is conclusive evidence to state Metroid Prime was born in some region of outer space, far outside of Tallon IV. As for the "meteors can come from planets" comment, Meteors (really meteoroids) are in reality fragments of debris in the Solar System - I highly doubt it could come from a planet, unless the Scientologists have something to do with it.

Speed kills, Children. --ShadowJester07 22:36, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

How are those lores proof? it says nothing bout the Worm. And meteors can come from other meteors hiting a planet; the debris is then a meteor. (11987 22:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC))

Meteors can either come from derbis or a meteor hitting a planet; however, neither is confirmed, so until there is a direct statement as to how said meteor originated, not specifying where it came from seems to be the logical way to go. --Mr. Ifafudafi 23:03, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Exactly; all we need to say is that Prime came in a meteor. By the way, u sighn ure name with brackets and inside type ````. (11987 22:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC))

  • The "Worm" haunting word to classify what would be Metroid Prime. Metroid Prime was born from direct exposure, to Phazon, as well as mysterious other agent.

Also, Read the entire “Worm Entry”, it states, “…The words of the seers have come to pass, for there, in the depths of the world, the ravenous Worm lurks and feeds. From the stars it came, blighting Tallon with it's Great Poison.”

As for the “meteors can come from other meteors hitting a planet, the debris is then a meteor”; If A meteor were to hit a planet, it would most likely leave a crater, rather than jettisoning debris into space (Simlar to the Tunguska blast of ‘08. Or most likely it was debris left over from the big-bang - So then essentially, it came from outer space - as in it is not native to Tallon IV... --ShadowJester07 23:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

of course its not native. But remember, 'born of parasites (metroids) nurtured in a poisoned womb (the phazon meteor)'. (11987 23:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC))

  • It's unclear to what they really mean by Parasites; Although it can and (prob does refer) to Metroids, it still draws questions to why they would use such an antagonizing word on their own creations. Furthermore, It could be suggested that "Metroid Prime" was essentially an entity, that managed to corrupt and posses a Metroid. After all, the various fact that it was able to mutate from a Metroid like creature to Dark Samus spawns even more questions. (Also take note to the fact the Chozo placed Metroids on various worlds) --ShadowJester07 23:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Lets just leave it out till Prime 3. (11987 23:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC))

Probably A good idea.

  • According to Metroid Prime's offical Website, Metroid Prime's homeworld is SR388. [2] --ShadowJester07 00:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

its a fake; i just went there. (11987 00:32, 25 July 2006 (UTC))

How is it fake? It was made by Nintendo. --ShadowJester07 00:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

i went to the site; no Prime. Its a hoax. (11987 01:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC))

  • <sarcasm> Yes, because I would take the time to flawlessly photoshop an image just to prove a point to a thirteen year old ;) </sarcasm> . Click on the items for phazon and metroids and drag the icons to the bottom, and then you will create the item for Metroid Prime. Sheesh, people these days, Can't even figure out how to play a simple children's game :-P --ShadowJester07 01:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

didnt know u cud do that. I stand corected. But u know ur whole theory bout prime being born in space is wrong. (11987 02:20, 25 July 2006 (UTC))

Yeh, but if you ask me, there are way too many gaps in the whole Metroid Prime series. Nintendo should have released a novel to make the game more interesting, similar to HALO. The whole theory thing is a byproduct from a misinterpretation of Chozo Lore :p --ShadowJester07 02:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

A book would be cool. sorry if i was too sceptical earlier. (11987 02:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC))


[edit] Merge with Dark Samus

I think the Dark Samus article should be merged with this, since they are the same being. --Black Omnimon 01:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

We've already had this discussion on the Dark Samus Talk page. The Conclusion was to keep the two articles separated. --ShadowJester07 02:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Do we know for certain that MP and DH are the same creature? All we know is that DH was bron from the remains of Prime and the assimilated Chozo Phazon suit... Then again, iff it was able to survive the destrucion of Dark Aether while being weakened badly by the Hunter, she might as well have survived the first game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Hunter (talk • contribs) 19:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shell before AU 313?

Where is it, exactly? I don't recall seeing(or scanning, for that matter) something that looked like prime's shell.GreenAiden555 01:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

It's right behind the Leviathan womb. I took an in-game screenshot of it, if anyone thinks it should be uploaded. Trashydrummer 00:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Could you upload here at least? PLease?66.215.86.110 05:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
That wouldn't be a good idea, unless we actually plan to use the picture in the article. As a game screenshot, that image is not free to use, and we can only claim it as fair use if it is used in an article. --Herald Alberich 20:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
There are actually two husks in the same room. One is under a platform behind the womb, and the other is on the platform to the left of the entrance.Trashydrummer 22:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
This is true. you have to look pretty closely though. when you scan it, it mentions that you've seen it before on Aether. ~ 69.155.233.209 04:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why can't we mention that Metroid Prime itself is as a Metroid mutated?

  1. ^ Space Pirate Data "Metroid Prime": Test subject Z-d, hereafter referred to as Metroid Prime, was recently discovered in a cavern by mining crews. It quickly dispatched the miners, but was eventually contained by security units and drones. Once contained, we were able to begin studies upon Metroid Prime. The results have been astonishing. It is genetically similar to a Metroid, albeit on a high evolved level. It displays a limitless capacity for Phazon infusion and shows no Phazon-based degeneration whatsoever. It continues to grow in size, and while it has manifested some psychotic behavior, the cold field we use to pacify remain effective. Authorization for advanced studies on Metroid Prime have been approved.

Very reasonable from the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrBubbles (talk • contribs) 00:56, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Because the NTSC Space Pirate logs concerning Prime aren't canon, as they have been replaced by new logs. The truth is that they never found it, and only recorded massive lifesigns in the Inpact Crater. Metroid Prime never left the Crater before Samus destroyed her original form. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.147.165.48 (talk) 12:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Hm...I dunno. Why would they call it METROID Prime if it wasn't a mutated Metroid? Furthermore, if the Space Pirates didn't eventually manage to gain access to the Impact Crater, then why does Prime have such advanced weaponry? Why are there Spider Ball tracks in the Impact Crater? Why is there a Save Station and even a recharge station there? The fact is, there's more evidence in favor of them gaining access to the Impact Crater than against it - but back on the subject of Prime being a Metroid...well, just read the Leviathan Infant scan on Phaaze and it should be obvious.68.84.236.41 23:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


A Leviathan that has chrashed into a planet will, before dying attract a native creature before dying and corrupt it with massve amounts of Phazon. The corrupted creature will then become the Leviathans guardian, to protect it's Phazon core. In this case it was a Metroid. In this case however, it seems the Metroid somehow fused with the Leviathan (shell and Phazon core).

How did it gain the 4 Beams? It could have produced them on it's own, although that's highly unlikely. I believe it sonehow assimilated the Chozo beams before the Leviathan struck (or at least absorbed the energies withing the beam artifacts), both are by Chozo technology, so I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. Which might also explain why exactly this Metroid was attracted by the Leviathan, and might be strong enough to have full contol over the Phazon core.

The save station and recharge station are just there for gameplay reasons, and if you per se want an answer: The Chozo could've been in there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Hunter (talk • contribs) 19:10, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blurry Images

I think that the images for exoskeletal and pure essence Metroid Prime are to blurry, not to mention uncentered on Prime itself. Perhaps someone could find official artwork depicting both forms rather than just leave those bad images.Abodos 23:50, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

For the not centered on Prime part, I think it is fine the way it is, and, as for the blurry part, I see you haven't been reading Wikipedia's Fair Use Guidelines, as they say the image can't be too clear otherwise it violates United States copyright law (the only reason we can use a blurry version [actually, low res] is because of the Fair Use portion of US copyright law) and would be deleted within 7 days of being noticed that it is high resolution. If you wanted the official artwork, you would have to remove the watermarks and scale down the image to less than .1 megapixels .
--FastLizard4 (Talk•Links•Sign) 01:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 'Metroid Prime is a native of Phaaze'

I think the above statement needs to be corrected in the article. The Chozo created the Metroids and for Prime to have been a native of Phaaze, they would have had to bring Metroids to the planet, which clearly does not agree with in-game logs. (The obvious answer to the presence of Phazon Metroids on Phaaze was that the Space Pirates brought them there.) From information learned in Metroid Prime 3 Corruption it can be assumed that the Metroid that became Prime was already present on Tallon IV when the Leviathan struck. This in turn raises the question of what use the Chozo had for the Metroids on the planet, but it's the only way things could work out. Emperor Ing 03:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)