Talk:Messianic Secret

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[edit] First

Hello world. This is my first Wikipedia article; I thought the most important thing to do would be to include some references, which I have done at the bottom of the article.

The article itself is a kind of big stub. I can't really be bothered to do a proper job of it at the moment; not being an expert means that it actually takes _effort_ to write this stuff, but at least there's something there now. I hope people find it useful, and still more that someone (possibly me, if I get around to it) takes the time to expand the article properly. Tomkirby 17:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Concerning "Attempts to explain the Messianic Secret"

Writing in this section "Literary/theological explanations: a prominent example is proposed by Wilhelm Wrede. (See below)." and then referring to a book is hardly a good explanation of anything to the average Wikipedia reader. Perhaps you can summarize the insights Wrede had on this subject for those of us not in-the-know. I am sure others would also appreciate not having to look it up elsewhere. Also from a very quick Google search (since there is no article on Wilhelm Wrede, who seems to be very bound up with the phrase— Messianic Secret) is Mr. Wrede the one who coined the phrase? Or was it already a commonly used phrase before his book/research. If he coined the phrase then it would be significant and the phrase should be attributed to him in the first paragraph, I would think. Thanks for an interesting start to an article. --SFDan 10:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Also concerning "Attempts to Explain"

Do you want to mention Hugh Schoenfield's book "The Passover Plot""? Schoenfield suggests that Jesus was not aware of his Messiahood until the disciples pointed out numerous instances of Old Testament prophecies being fulfilled. It could have been a case of the human physical part not being ready to accept the Redeemer role predicted. Thanks for this article, Tom. 71.104.163.24