Talk:Mesoamerican creation accounts

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[edit] Hope this helps...

I guess thats what you would call a "major rework." It went from being a stub to a full blown article!

"You live, you die and get eaten by worms." - Edgar Allan Poe 02:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Seanait. Appreciate your efforts, but unfortunately most of what you have expanded is rather non-specific to the article's supposed topic, and pertains more to generalised concepts of creation accounts in Mesoam. mythological traditions. As such, much of this is more appropriate and would be better covered on Mesoam. mythology and calendric articles, eg Maya mythology or Maya calendar.

Note also that Mesoam. creation accounts vary in the number of "previous worlds" before the present one, anywhere from two to five. The main problem however is that genuine Mesoamerican sources have really nothing very meaningful to say about any supposed "future world" (the "Sixth World" in this article), so I very much doubt that it is useful to have a separate article on this concept at all. I would propose abandoning this article and merging into one with a wider scope on Mesoamerican creation accounts, where the associated concepts can be more meaningfully discussed rather than treating elements of it in isolation. I will look to do this in a little while.

I'm afraid there are also some incorrect statements in the current text, such as attributing the mesoamerican calendar's origins to the Toltec, or that the Calendar Round lasts "exactly" 52 years (it is an approximation only). But not to worry, these can all be addressed once the focus for the material is moved to something which (IMO) would be more informative and useful. Regards, --cjllw | TALK 01:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page moved

OK, per the above I have now moved this to a more general Mesoamerican creation accounts title. With some more cleanup it should be better placed to be more informative about these creation accounts generally, rather than treating hypothetical "future worlds" in isolation from the whole conceptual framework.--cjllw | TALK 08:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)