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- for the 1980 cartoon

Qu'est-ce que c'est?

Merry is the Fellowship of the Ring's best connection to the outside world.

This seems weird and strange to me. Anyone care to explain? Graft

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Je ne sais pas. Pour cette raison, je n'ai pas l'include quand j'ai change le texte. (I don't know. For this reason, I didn't include it when I changed the text) Parelle

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An anonymous user keeps adding some version of the following:

Merry has yellow hair which is unusual for a hobbit) and blue-green eyes.

Can any references be cited for this? I don't recall it, and no one else here seems to either, except for one user. Please offer supporting quotations. Jwrosenzweig 20:28, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

According to the book, his hair colour is brown. Thick, curly, brown hair. From TTT:

'May I lay the sword of Meriadoc of the Shire on your lap, Théoden King?' He cried. 'Recieve my service, if you will!'

'Gladly will I take it,' said the king; and laying his long old hands upon the brown hair of the hobbit, he blessed him. 'Rise now, Meriadoc, esquire of Rohan of the household of Meduseld!' he said."

Emphasis mine. As for his eyes, nothing comes to mind, but I’ll look for a quote. Jor 22:06, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Good to know - I knew about the Pippin reference (which is golden hair) but I hadn't heard of any description of Merry. Perhaps this is a movie lover.Parelle

Contents 1 Doors of Moria 2 Witch-King 3 pictures 4 Original research tag

[edit] Doors of Moria

I've removed the reference to Merry helping to open the doors. In the book Gandalf figures it out almost completely on his own, and in the film Frodo has the insight. Merry only asks a question. Djbrianuk 22:20, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

True, but Gandalf himself then points out that Merry's line of thinking was on track the first time, and in the cast commentary Dom points out that he has received a lot of fan mail denouncing the change to having Frodo figure out the riddle instead of Merry, a fact of which Dom is very proud.

[edit] Witch-King

I don't have a copy of the book in front of me, and it is a minor consideration to say the least, but I could swear that he stabs the Witch-King in the back of the knee. Am I insane in thinking this? - KaoBear^(talk) 23:31, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Merry's stroke specifically, 'pierced the sinews behind his mighty knee'... or words to that effect. --CBD 18:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Yay! I love it when someone confirms I am not stupid. - KaoBear^(talk) 19:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] pictures

For real? We have pictures from Bakshi and some production of some otherwise unknown play (musical?) in Cincinnati, but nothing of Dominic Monaghan? That's ridiculous. john k 05:59, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Original research tag

It is of course not original research that Meriadoc, who becomes knight of Rohan, was based on Meriadoc, founder of the house of Rohan. Given that this Meriadoc was an ancient English character, which was Tolkien's specialty, there can be little doubt, but likewise we cannot expect to have academic references for every little allusion in that author's works, can we? Anyway, here is a reference to a Celtic encyclopedia which mentions the coincidence. The author - who is no expert on Tolkien - mentions the likeness as possible. Sponsianus 22:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

There is tons of academic work on Tolkien, especially the background to Tolkien stuff in real world literary material. As you note, the author of the linked page is not an expert on Tolkien, and is merely speculating as to a possible connection of which she apparently has no real basis other than speculation. I don't think this webpage qualifies as a reliable source on Tolkien, so it's still OR. john k 05:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Very well, I added a more unanimous reference to the fact that Meriadoc and Rohan were taken from Breton names from a philosophical journal. Please replace it with a better reference if anybody has one. Sponsianus 23:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't "Meriadoc"/"Merry" used to represent a Westron name/nickname? 202.86.194.8 06:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that was how Tolkien arranged the suspension of belief. Old-fashioned Hobbit names were "translated" as Medieval names to emphasise their pompous timbre, and Hobbits with such names were given nick-names that Tolkien equalled to light-hearted English words, "Merry" and "Pippin", the latter being an apple.Sponsianus 10:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)