Talk:Mercyful Fate
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This article is somewhat POV and sounds like it was written for a popular magazine, not wikipedia. I cleaned up some of the more evident POV, but I really think this article needs a re-write. marnues 04:51, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Removed: "Later on 6-years after preforming in 1982, King Diamond had to retire in 1988 before releasing his best album called Conspiracy and disbanded after his two solo albums. In 1991, King Diamond returned to Mercyful Fate to get everything back to normal again until King Diamond got fired in 2000."
I couldn't work out the chronology in this paragraph -- sannse 09:31 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)
For Michael:
- preforming should be performing.
- Please keep the distinction between a group and a person separate. There is a group called King Diamond and a person that is referred to by the same name; the reader should have no confusion about which is being referred to.
- King Diamond's self-titled album is called King Diamond, not Self-Titled.
- No subpages, please.
- I don't think Conspiracy is (his/their???) best album. This is a point-of-view. See NPOV.
- Both sentences above are run-ons. One sentence should present one idea. Who disbanded, when? Why? What does normal mean in this context? Tuf-Kat
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[edit] Melissa album
Interpretations about "Melissa" are personal interpretations of the author. Comes off like an album review. Should be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MADDOX456 (talk • contribs) 01:25, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Image gone!
Why was MercyfulFateGroup.jpg removed? I'll see if I can find another. Oddity- 03:29, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Black metal/Heavy Metal
Personally, I would call Mercyful Fate black metal - one of the first wave of none-Norweigan black metal bands, in fact. It fits, stylistically, as well as with their beliefs and intent. What says everyone else? Dysk
- I agree with this. I think they're generally acknowledged as an early/proto black metal band.Spearhead 08:42, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
That is because, MF musically has almost nothing in common with bands like Darkthrone and Mayhem, although their lyrics and image was highly influential on Black metal. Other a few lyric similarities, MF has nothing to do with black metal.Avador 04:28, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. The same goes for Venom, although they don't have much to do with black metal either besides their image and lyrical themes (that, and they were a joke band). The parts of the article calling MF black metal should probably be edited. Dysfunktion 01:01, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
- Disagreed. MF's style was labelled Black Metal in the 80s, you can't deny that history. In the beginning when everything was not standardized, there's no such trend deciding what black metal should sound like, and that's why sound of the first wave of black metal appeared to be so varied. The same goes for Viking metal, if it finally evolves a distinquishable brand new sound some day in the future, not just talking about Vikings in the lyrics, anyone who has a common sense about Viking metal history won't dismiss the latter day Bathory or Ensiferum as just some "non-Viking band which help inspired the Viking genre".
I would agree that MF could be some type of "early black metal", or "proto black metal", ect. Image wise, lyricaly and somewhat musically, it's obvious the band had a big influence on what would become black metal, but genre wise, if someone said "what kind of music is Mercyful Fate?" the answer would not be "black metal", IMO. Skeletor2112 11:07, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Lyrically MF may be very similar to black metal, but musically they are completely heavy metal. Even if they were known as Black Metal in the 80's they are known as heavy metal today. Remember that Metallica was called power metal in the 80's, but no one is going around calling them power metal today. marnues 07:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
That's only modern critics fault! In the 80's and early '90, bands of this presumed "First Wave of Black Metal" were labeled simply as heavy metal or, at least, thrash metal. Today, metal is a complicated genre with those millions of labels and with its changed history. Tomorrow we'll see the "First Wave of Thrash Metal" of Motorhead, Iron Maiden, Raven, Judas Priest, Diamond Head and the "First Wave of Death Metal" of Slayer, Dark Angel, Kreator and Destruction. Perhaps also "the first wave of hair metal" with KISS, Alice Cooper and New York Dolls. However I agree with Marnues, lyrically they may be black metal, but musically heavy metal. --Born Again 83 (talk) 16:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
- There are so many things wrong with what you just said that I can't bring myself to say anything further. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 19:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
- My uncle listen also to heavy metal and was a part of the metal scene in the 70's and 80's. He told me that all those bands were classified as heavy metal or thrash metal. Now there are many changes. However, for me metal is going to be very incomprehensible. Tomorrow there will be another theory about a metal genre. Don't worry, if these are the sources I won't change that "first wave of black metal". IMHO the REAL black metal is Mayhem, Gorgoroth, Burzum, Immortal, Darkthrone. --Born Again 83 (talk) 22:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Melissa
A member of ANUS.com claims to have returned Melissa to King Diamond. [1] Discuss ... ?
--220.237.229.79 14:40, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
