Talk:Mercury (automobile)
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[edit] A few things of note
In regards to yesterday's edit war: Here's an explanation.
- The Grand Marquis did not become a separate model until 1983. "Grand" was a trim line from 1975 to 1982.
- Mercury is by no means a "luxury" brand. It is near-luxury at best, but that doesn't need to be in evey car's description. "Midsize sedan, fullsize sedan, e.g. will do.
- A car line does not need to be under both "Recent Models" and "Past Models" at the same time. One or the other.
- There are two separate pages for the fullsize-car Monterey and the Freestar Monterey van.
Does that clear things up? I'm not going to change anything without more input though. --Sable232 20:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- It would be helpfull if you could reference those dates. ViridaeTalk 20:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- I've been trying to find something reliable to cite. But basically, 1983 was when the Grand Marquis was mechanically divorced from the Marquis and Marquis Brougham. --Sable232 16:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- In disputes over content, it's probably better not to revert-war over things that have no references. If you see an unreferenced date that you think is wrong (but not obviously insanely wrong) - then you probably shouldn't change it unless you have a reference to prove your change is correct. Similarly, it's wrong to re-revert unless you have a solid reference. Without a reference, neither of you is 'right' yet! "Luxury" is a value judgement - it doesn't belong in the encyclopedia at all unless you have a reference that asserts that - then you can say "XYZ Car Magazine said the Wibble 200GTX was a luxury car". Why on earth do you have both "Recent" and "Past" models? "Recent" is another value judgement and it doesn't belong here after how many years (months? decades?) does "Recent" become "Past". "Past" and "Present" would be OK. Separate or merged pages for similar cars is a long-running debate at WikiProject::Automobiles. Personally, I'd merge them if the resulting page would be less than 20kBytes - split them if it were more. That's a guideline from WP:FAC and it seems about right to me. SteveBaker 19:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- The 1950-74 Monterey does not have a single thing in common (outside of the name) with the current Monterey, which is a clone of the Freestar minivan. I actually proposed merging Mercury Monterey to Ford Freestar but didn't get much of a warm reception to that. So there are two different pages.
- I was removing "luxury" from the car descriptions for the reason you describe above.
- And the introduction date of 1983 is in keeping with the info on Mercury Marquis and Mercury Grand Marquis. I am still looking for a decisive reference outside of what is logically inferred. --Sable232 19:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- In disputes over content, it's probably better not to revert-war over things that have no references. If you see an unreferenced date that you think is wrong (but not obviously insanely wrong) - then you probably shouldn't change it unless you have a reference to prove your change is correct. Similarly, it's wrong to re-revert unless you have a solid reference. Without a reference, neither of you is 'right' yet! "Luxury" is a value judgement - it doesn't belong in the encyclopedia at all unless you have a reference that asserts that - then you can say "XYZ Car Magazine said the Wibble 200GTX was a luxury car". Why on earth do you have both "Recent" and "Past" models? "Recent" is another value judgement and it doesn't belong here after how many years (months? decades?) does "Recent" become "Past". "Past" and "Present" would be OK. Separate or merged pages for similar cars is a long-running debate at WikiProject::Automobiles. Personally, I'd merge them if the resulting page would be less than 20kBytes - split them if it were more. That's a guideline from WP:FAC and it seems about right to me. SteveBaker 19:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- I've been trying to find something reliable to cite. But basically, 1983 was when the Grand Marquis was mechanically divorced from the Marquis and Marquis Brougham. --Sable232 16:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
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- For now I will restore the old version. --Sable232 06:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
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