Talk:Mercedes-Benz 500E
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Mbzmechanic just so that you know I'm the one that deleted, trimmed, or otherwise edited some of your contributions. You should know that wasn't out of any desire to suppress knowledge or make light of your article. However a lot of the info you posted was either written in an informal tone or was more along the lines of personal opinion or observation. Not that any of that isn't useful but it doesn't belong in a wikipedia article unless you have a verifiable source to back it up. I understand it was your first article so I might suggest that you take a look at some of the guidelines for creating a wikipedia article; for instance, you didn't cite a single source in the whole page and you used images that I can tell were lifted straight from Google image search. Now I also want you to know that I'm not a huge wikipedia contributor. I use it mostly as a reference tool, but I'll edit a page a bit if I notice something blatantly wrong. I haven't created a page myself at all and I'm also pretty hazy on the exact rules for page creation (that's why I haven't made one). In this case I removed a lot of info that, like I said, seemed to be more based on your personal experience with the car rather than actual verifiable facts, as well as cleaning up some sloppy writing. In case you're worried that I mindlessly deleted valuable info, just keep in mind that I personally own a 500E and truly appreciate this unique automobile. I have done my fair share of work on it and have done a bit of research so I know the car well. I personally appreciate that someone took the time to create a dedicated page for the 500E when it was just a blurb under W124 before. But in order to create a respectable wikipedia article, you have to follow the guidelines. You can find everything here: Help. Hopefully you'll see this message.TheJoshdude 20:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
a readers reply
yea but everything he put there was true, use a search engine. and yes i'd bet he took all those images from google, but at least the different angled shots are from a magazine, so i hope those don't end up deleted as well. im not 1 of the lucky 500E owners, but i have an e-class mercedes (which is nothing like the 500E, i think the 500E is actually an s-class perhaps, judging also by the interior of the vehicle, it is much nicer than many s-class)
point being, maybe you should of spent your effort on finding references instead of deleting? because now we lost another wikipedian to read from. no disrespect indended, but i also highly disbelief that you own a 500E, because they are very expensive and for some one with money, or such luck, i highly doubt that you would take the time out to do things like Wiki's and such, no offense (i dont know you). the very worst condition 500Es (which are well over a decade old), wrecked and rebuilt, with 400+ thousand km (200+ thousand miles), are like 15 k euros (20 k USD) !!
personally all of this 500e enthusiasm is a bit unnecessary in my opinion, because although i am a mercedes-benz fan, these cars are so rare and hard to find, and unheard of, are they even worth mentioning? wikipedia is about history, but if you are going to mention it, you should mention it 100 percent and focus your direction towards references and not deletion, in my opinion!
Whoever you are, I appreciate what you're saying to a certain extent but it's clear to me that you also don't really understand the conventions of creating a wikipedia article. Pictures used in a wikipedia article must be free of any copyrights. You can't use someone else's image without their express permission. That means random images from google, magazines, newspapers, or anywhere CAN'T be used unless the original creator has released the picture to the public domain and this is not usually the case. Like I said I'm still not 100% clear on all the rules and regulations for page maintenance, and that's why I tagged the photos rather than deleting them. If someone more knowledgeable comes across this page I'm sure they'll either take the time to edit it properly or mark it for deletion. I did my best to flag the problems I saw, edit the factual inconstancies I noticed, and even inform the original creator of my intentions. Again, I do appreciate the effort involved here and I will see if I can find some resources to back up the TRUE claims that were listed. I deleted the ones I knew were false; if the creator has a problem with that, a) he should not be creating pages on an openly editable website, and b) he is free to discuss that here on the talk page and I have proof if he requires it. I'd like this page to stick around so I'll do what I can, but I'm not exactly a wikipedia pro. If no one wants to edit it to make it suitable it will get deleted, that's just the way it is. If the creator wants to talk about the 500E in his terms he can create a blog or something but wikipedia is not the place for opinions and unverifiable claims.
As far as the 500E itself, maybe you should learn about the car more before you start making accusations. First of all, I absolutely own a 500E, in fact the main photo for this page is my car. It is NOT an S-class, it's an E-class, that's why there's an E in the name. If you want details I'd be happy to provide them, don't assume that just because I use the internet that I can't have a nice car. I don't think your pricing information is too relevant either. As far as I've researched a decent condition, single-owner 500E tends to go for about $20-25k in the U.S. This car is definitely worth mentioning, you think just because it's rare it shouldn't be talked about? That's not true about ferraris is it?TheJoshdude 22:08, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sports car or armoured car?
The article describes the 500E as a sports car yet I recall reading in the press at the time of release that the primary reason for building in the powerful engine was because the car was (standard) fitted with armour plating -- the objective was to build an inconspicuous armoured car -- and the conventional engine just couldn't pull it due to the heavy weight. The Porsche plant was selected for fitting the engine into the chassis because it had experience with this sort of jobs and had spare capacity. Quite something different than a sports car. Are there any reference for this to be found online? The Seventh Taylor 22:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Not sure where you would have heard that; the 500E never came outfitted standard with armor plating of any kind. The principle behind the car was to create a high performance sedan in the vein of the 300SEL 6.3 and 450SEL 6.9. TheJoshdude 20:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
