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[edit] Placebo Effect

Puppy has never mentioned (or at least that I know of), that PE was an inpiration, makes sense especially since puppy was around at least 4 years before PE was. I do know for a fact in past interviews with Bill Leeb of Frontline Assembly was influnced by PE and used quite a bit of their style on early FLA releases.

By the way... define "American industrial".

Bands from Europe are not "American". Cyberia23 23:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


Skinny Puppy were not inspired by Placebo Effect... Skinny Puppy & Front Line Assembly were inspired by Portion Control and Throbbing Gristle from England. look here
But Placebo Effect were inspired by Skinny Puppy, the debut album "Galleries Of Pain" and the EP "Slashed Open" are strong influenced by Skinny Puppy. Maybe there was a misunderstanding, because my english is not really good.
Yeah, it was the way you worded it that threw me off. Under the PE article, I had originally wrote: "They have an early EBM sound which has been credited as the inspiration of several other industrial bands like Front Line Assembly." On 7 March 2006, you changed it to "They have an early american industrial sound which has been credited as the inspiration of several other industrial bands like Skinny Puppy." So you're saying Puppy was inspired by "american industrial" and not PE themselves. Right? But like I said, Bill Leeb from Frontline said in Keyboard Magazine a while back that PE as well as Portion Control (plus a few others) were inspiration. Cyberia23 22:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
American Industrial is more Rock-influenced... or soft, not really harsh like the original industrial acts from England (Throbbing Gristle or SPK). In the early '90s a few bands were inspired by the american industrial-sound, especially german acts like YelworC, Haujobb., Individual Totem or Placebo Effect. --Menorrhea 23:51, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't consider there to be a true "Amercian industrial" sound. Industrial bands from America meerly emulate the "Euro-Industrial" sound, but by throwing heavy guitar over it makes it more "grindhouse, metal/punk-industrial", which isn't really exclusive to America. KMFDM for example, although they recorded out of Chicago were all German artists; Bill Leeb is Austrian, and Puppy is from Canada. Cyberia23 22:21, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
BTW: Placebo Effect have no EBM sounds... EBM is a completely other thing...
Well, I guess that depends on individual ideas of what EBM is. I bought an EBM compilation CD and many bands on it are not what I consider EBM. I think bands like Covenant, VNV Nation, and Apoptygma Berzerk are "EBM", as well as PE. Bands like yelworC and Haujobb's earlier work are more techno-industrial. It's a matter of opinion I guess. Cyberia23 22:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bella Morte

I am not blaitantly attacking you, Just consider this a friendly debate, k? I strongly believe that Bella Morte's material off of the "As the Reasons Die" Album was in fact as close to darkwave as any modern band could get. It's quite unlike their other albums. Just listen to tracks like "A Dying World", "Undone", and "Many Miles". Perhaps It's not the "Wave" of the 80s, but you have to consider that music evolves, e.g. Rock 'n Roll isn't what it used to be, now is it? I hope you consider this and maybe listen to the tracks I mentioned earlier, perhaps that will sway your opinion. -- Emevas

Darkwave music is inseparably connected with the sound of the New-wave-era. --Menorrhea 21:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Alright, maybe "As the Reasons Die" wasn't the best example, I calmly admit I was wrong... To an extent. What about "The Quiet" or "Where Shadows Lie"? They were more Darkwave than the newer albums. When I heard "The Rain Within Her Hands", I could have been fooled if someone said it was a Depeche Mode song, but with a different singer. Simmilar goes for songs like "Whispers", "Hope Again" or "I Follow" Have you ever tried visiting Bella Morte's Myspace Page, and looking at the Similar artists section? Last I checked, several (albiet, not all) of the influences were darkwave bands. --

Emevas 12:34 27 Oct 2006

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[edit] Unter null

I notice you removed Unter null from the EBM category. I'm not going to argue whether or not they are EBM as I know nothing about it but could you place it in another more suitable category or point me in the right direction to make the article more accessible. Thanks. Keresaspa 13:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] EBM

If you don't think Velvet Acid Christ and Apoptygma Berzerk are EBM, maybe you should do some work on the List of EBM artists, so those of us who don't know what we're talking about can have something better to go by, mm? Ric | opiaterein 13:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Read the discussion page of the List of EBM artists. --Menorrhea 17:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
So, the list includes bands that aren't EBM, which makes the list improperly named? Hmm. Ric | opiaterein 22:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Pro-jekt

I have changed your edits on this article twice, please note the articles talk page before doing it again. J Milburn 20:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of darkwave music artists

Hi. Why did you restore Ataraxia? Isn't it sheer folk? Blacklake 06:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Neofolk with electronic elements. You should hear the early works. --Menorrhea 10:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Actually I did. And I don't remember electronic elements playing significant role in Ataraxia's music. The Moon Lay Hidden Beneath a Cloud are not included in the list though they are more darkwave than Ataraxia. Blacklake 13:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Maybe you should add TMLHBAC to the list. Ataraxia are a part of the italian darkwave/goth scene. Read the interviews. --Menorrhea 17:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I've just looked through couple of interviews. I admit, they refer to their early work as "linked to post-punk and gothic dark music". And I added TMLHBAC to the list. Blacklake 09:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] neoclassical music

Hello, can you please explain to me how "Vernian Process" should not be included in the neo-classical music list? It's primary influences are In the Nursery, and The Protagonist. In fact Klive and Nigel Humberstone (ITN) are fans of this project. It's true their are other elements such as Darkwave and Trip-Hop present, but that does not discredit the painfully obvious orchestrations. FACT50 19:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Can you read? NOTABLE ARTISTS. --~Menorrhea 19:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Aha, now i see!... it's advertising for your own project. Pfff... --~Menorrhea 19:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Re Dr Who's talk page

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It's important to me and the darkwave genre, because in italy many Goth people were called 'dark' in the 80s.
The same happened in Germany, USA and South America; I have no direct knowledge of other countries' ppl. For example, sometimes Tuxedomoon, Joy Division, New Order, Cocteau Twins, The Sound, Sad Lovers & Giants and most of artists of the 4AD label were called dark; the word Shoegaze is new. There was a "dark scene" that didnt fit in the gothic scene. The term Gothic appeared slowly between 1985 and 1990; furthermore goth metal was named "black-metal", a bit strange. Anyway, today indie-alternative rock scenes have lost what the new wave scene gained, that is a full separation from blues and hard rock styles, and from american forms of rock. Punk was mostly an european movement: dissonant rhythmic guitars, motorik drums, hypnotic voices. New wave went beyond, it incorporated punk merging it with synths and funky rhythms. So you think that only in Italy the term dark was used? If so, it's good to me. I discussed this topic a few months ago with the user Donnacha, by email, after I started the article Danse Society and contributed to a few talk pages in this area. btw, google now features "my article" among its results now, if you type 'danse society' [1]. bye and cheers. --Dr. Who 04:41, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, but the term Dark was a little regional phenomenon in Germany. Mostly they were called Wavers. People heard the music of Bauhaus, Joy Division, Soft Cell, Depeche Mode etc. In Germany, all these bands were called Wave. Until the early 90s, we didn't use the term Gothic.
Btw: In germany thrash metal was called black metal in the 80s. There was a thrash metal band called Holy Moses. They released a demo-tape in 1980 with the name Black Metal Masters. The british thrash band Venom was a great fan of Holy Moses and used the term "Black Metal" in 1982. Greets, ~Menorrhea 17:21, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Xykogen

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[edit] batcave video

cool video. I didn't really mean *that* classic. I was really referring to 1985-1990 goth when I said 'classic'. cheers!TheDarknessVisible 08:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] Psyclon Nine

why did you remove the "industrial music" category? you left aggrotech, which is clearly a sub-classification of industrial, so now the category just looks confusing to people who don't know offhand what "aggrotech" means.

Aggrotech is a mixture of Electro-industrial music and harsh techno beats. Its not an industrial sub-genre. Industrial has no sub-genres. Industrial was a movement between 1975 and 1981. The following period is called Post-industrial. --Diluvien 10:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:Project Pitchfork - Floating Dolphins (1992).ogg)

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[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:Pink Industry - Creaking Doors (1983).ogg)

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[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Love Spirals Downwards - Stir About The Stars (1992).ogg

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[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Old Lady Drivers - Marzuraan (1991).ogg

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