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[edit] Heraldry and vexillology
Melusine may be within the scope of the WikiProject on Heraldry and Vexillology. Article is not primarily a heraldry or vexillology article. Bejnar 16:51, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Generic or Idiosyncratic
OK, I don't get why the author(s) of this article chose to refer to "melusine" as a generic word for two-tailed mermaids. From what I've seen, Melusine is always a proper name and should be treated as such, with a capital letter. I've not heard of people referring to two-tailed mermaids as melusines before. Someone have a reference for this, or is it original research/name-making? DreamGuy 10:02, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
- Additional already-published details, with sources, in the article should quell any authentic concerns. Nothing original here. --Wetman 12:24, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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- OK, looks like a fair amount of changes to this since I posted... but I've read it, and I don't see anything to support it in the new additions either. I still want to know if there is any actual source referring to a small letter M "melusine" as a generic word for a range of creatures of this type. I don't remember any books I've read using the word as a descriptor instead of a name, and I've read most of the standard references on this character. From looking through the article here and the linked websites I don't see reference to any source using a small m version. Instead of insinuating that my concerns aren't authentic, would you mind explicitly pointing out references that would support the small M usage? DreamGuy 15:21, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
- If Lady Melusine flop flop flopped her wet way from Brittany and Poitou to Luxembourg Poland and Silesia, she was one busy girl indeed! When someone says "From what I've seen" without mentioning what that is, my skepticism is always raised. This User has a contributions history that has made him notorious. --Wetman 15:56, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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- Mythological and legendary characters often have stories told in different areas, that doesn't mean they are considered a race of beings deserving of a generic descriptor. The "flop flop" comment is nonsensical, because we aren't talking about a real person, but different stories. Stories move around and get localized without anyone thinking that there was a whole bunch of these creatures running around, they just think theirs is right and others are wrong. You made the claim that "melusine" is a generic term for two-tailed mermaids, you should provide the source to back it up. I can't prove a negative, all I can say is that my memory of all the standard sources and all the pages with links on this article all show you as being incorrect here. You may well be right, but you haven't shown that to be the case. I don't know why you persist on making personal attacks instead of responding to my concern. Please provide a scholarly reference that backs up your usage. DreamGuy 09:26, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)
- I am taking Melusine off my watchlist, knowing that, without an atmosphere of contention User:DreamGuy will quickly lose interest in a subject where this self-confessed "Eclectic scholar, published author, and all around nice guy" has not as of Dec 15 2004 contributed one word (see Page history}. A glance at this User's own User contributions reveals his normal concentration on contentious Talk pages, and reversions and deletions of other work as "irrelevant" etc.. There are few contributions from [User:DreamGuy]]. Any damage he does here can be repaired in a few months anyway.--Wetman 09:50, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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- So... what you are saying is that you have no reference to support your side and all you can do is make more insults and false accusations...? My list of contributions are extensive for my short time here as a registered user, and while I do end up patrolling articles where people keep trying to put their bias in (like people trying to change the Deluge (mythology) page to advance their religion, or those who believe that any mention of a controversy over someone's life is negative and doesn't belong), that's not due to a love of conflict, it's a dedication for having things done objectively. I will not damage this article, I was simply asking if anyone could support the claims that are made within it. Since you cannot, and what you say is contrary to the sources I have read on the topic (as well as the sites that have links on this page), I am going to fix it. If you come back with a reference to support your side, great. If you come back in a few months and try to "repair" it by reintroducing opinions that you don't have references to support, then you will be the one trying to damage it. I'm sorry if my asking for a reference to support your opinion has offended you, but then it's not my fault if you choose to take offense to the idea of having a scholarly basis for what you write. DreamGuy 17:06, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)
Aaaanyway, I wondered if the use of Melusina in A.S. Byatt's Possession was worth adding to the article. --Nick Douglas 04:02, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Mendelssohn's Overture 'The Fair Melusine'
Hi, thanks for the page on Melusine. In case anybody want to add it to the article, Mendelssohn wrote an Overture (Op.32) based on the Melusine myth, called Die Schöne Melusine or The Fair Melusine (composed 1833 for the Philharmonic Society, London, revised 1834-5 for performance in Leipzig) Orlando Jopling
To my knowledge, there are not many available English language texts of Melusine. A rough translation of Coudrette's Melsuine can be found here: http://www.isnull.com/bathesis/
[edit] Melusine disambiguation
I created a page about the Belgian comic book series Mélusine today, so I guess a disambiguation page is needed? Because as far as I can see, Melusine is the name of both a mythological creature and a comic book character, AND the partial name of an asteroid? Since I'm new to Wikipedia (at least the editing part), I was wondering how to go about setting that up? Would it be best to rename this page Melusine (mythological) or something like that? Anyway, I thought it was best to ask here - if any of you could help, it'd be much appreciated! - Bender of spoons 21:01, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
- I've created a disambiguation page. Since this usage predates the others by far, I've made this the main article with a link to the disambiguation page. On the disambiguation page, I've created a link to this article and the Mélusine (comic) page. I couldn't find the asteroid page, so you should make that edit on the disambiguation page. Val42 15:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
