Talk:Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness

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[edit] Concept Album?

On the page for Tonight Tonight, it claims that "Lyrically, "Tonight, Tonight" hangs together with the rest of the Mellon Collie, which is a concept album, as a symbol for the cycle of life and death." Should this be mentioned in the article? Brimstorch (talk) 18:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quintessential

"said to be one of the quintessential and defining albums of the 90s"

I know this is splitting hairs, but I disagree with this usage of "quintessential." Mellon Collie is not broadly representative of music that was released during the 1990s. It is intentially anachronistic, which is part of its charm. "Quintessential" is one of those terms, along with "meteoric rise," that is overused in music reviews.

Mister Tog 16:47, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Galapogos?

I know the correct spelling is Galápagos (yes, with the second "a" accented)... but I'm wondering if the misspelling is the band's, or the editors'. Anyone got their album handy who can verify this?

It's spelled on the album "Galapogos". God knows why. Thanks for asking first! Underwater 15:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Right now both spellings are listed on this album page.. I say they should both read "Galapogos" as given on the album. I'm going to make the change -- please protest in response here. 74.128.253.162 01:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
no no no no... i think it should stay as the album spelling...if it doesn't stay a sthe album spelling does that mean that we should change all the (supposed) misspellings on every album? "Galapogos" is the album spelling and, whether it is an error on Corgan's (or the label's or whoever's) side or not, Galapogos it should stay...Sickboy3883 22:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
well thats what i thought about the Wolfmother album, where the international version spells "thief" wrong on the track listing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.238.129.39 (talk) 23:38, 8 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Record of the Year?

If it was released in 1995, how was it nominated for Record of the Year (1979)? Shouldn't that be 1997?

No it means that the song 1979 was nominated for Record of the Year.Aljohnston 23:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I reformatted all the album and song titles to conform to WP:MOS-T which also has the nice side effect of making it more clear that it's referring to the song "1979" and not the year. Pimlottc 20:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Song articles

Is it necessary for every friggin' song on the album to have an entry? I simply do not see why 'Thru The Eyes Of Ruby' needs an entry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.149.83.23 (talk) 19:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC).

Songs like "Jellybelly" and "Here Is No Why" both were singles and had plenty of info on them, why delete song articles which are useful just because there are other useless ones? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SomeGuy11112 (talk • contribs) 22:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I converted most of the non-single articles into redirects; the old versions of the articles may still be found in the edit history.
As far as I'm aware, neither "Jellybelly" nor "Here Is No Why" were singles. If you look at the last versions before being converted to redirect ([1], [2]) you'll see that the majority of the content was unreferenced speculation. Basically, the articles didn't meet the criteria at WP:MUSIC. Regards, Oli Filth 23:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Outtakes (possible errors)

Howdy, I'm looking on my iPod right now at my (massive) SP collection. I'm trying to match the info given on this page with what I have in the way of demos and outtakes for MCIS. I'm not having much luck. While much of the information listed is correct, others (such as the descriptions of "Wishing You Were Here") seem to be a little off the mark. Additionally, while I have copies of MCIS Demos I, II, and III, as well as Billy's Gravity Demos and Sequence IV, I can't find any of the instrumentals listed here (at least not under those names). I am fairly sure that my versions are correct, as they are from reliable sources (RSPAA, ZOMB tracker site, and the old www.billy-corgan.com site). Also, a quick check at SPFC.org doesn't come back with any hits for these 3 instrumentals. I am going to keep an eye on this discussion for a while, and if I don't see anything in the way of explanation, I'll be replacing the current list with my own. --Kylemanor 18:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

In any case, ee gads this section is waaaay too long and detailed. I really dont see why an album article needs this level of detail about stuff thats NOT EVEN ON THE ALBUM. SPFC can handle this nitty gritty, lets leave it off wikipedia. -Werideatdusk33 05:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Other pages (such as Adore) have outtakes sections, but i agree that this is done to too much detail. I suggest keeping the list of song outtakes but deleting the list of "666" demos, as this seems a bit trivial. Aljohnston 11:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This album is connected

All song titles serve as redirects to this album, have their own pages, or have been placed at the appropriate disambiguation pages. Godlord2 02:32, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Not now!--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 22:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Baseball City?

'"Other names considered for the album were Venus and Chloe,[citation needed] Sad and Sadder,[7] The Phoenix Meets the Dwarf, Basketball Land, and Baseball City.[3]"'

Okay, I think the band might be joking. Well, at least I hope so. Why in the world would Billy actually consider naming the album Basketball Land?!! 72.91.96.159 04:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I remember seeing that Rockumentary where they mentioned the last 3. They're jokes and should probably be taken out of the article, or mentioned otherwise. I remember Iha came up with 'The Phoenix...' on the spot, saying it was going to be called "something like" that. Actually, I'm pretty sure "Sad and Sadder" is a joke too, poking fun at the actual album title.MrHate 05:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I think those last three are all James Iha jokes a'la "The Search for the Yeti" for Siamese Dream. -Werideatdusk33 22:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Writing Credits?

Are all songs/outtakes credited to Corgan? 67.167.159.39 00:08, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Mellon.jpg

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[edit] Date of Recording

" After the 13-month Siamese Dream tour, Corgan immediately began writing songs for the band's third album.[1] "

This is referenced, but I was initial songwriting, especially for 'Bullet with Butterfly Wings', occurred earlier. Quoting: Hanson, Amy: 'Tales of a Scorched Earth' pp. 127: 2004, Helter Skelter; London:

'The song ['Bullet with Butterfly Wings'] had come together from the Siamese Dream sessions, where Corgan first nailed down the main riff. The final piece was not schemed, he told Guitar World, 'until a year and a half later... writing the "rat in a cage" part on an acoustic guitar at the BBC studios in London on the same day that "Landslide" was recorded.'

While Hanson doesn't provide references for her quotes.

The Wikipedia MCIS article also states 57 songs were written for the album. Tracks such as 'Set the Ray to Jerry', 'Meladori Magpie' ('Doorstep') and others were already in existance at the time of Siamese Dream. Are these included in the count? Does the count include instrumental tracks which went nowhere (except 'Pistachio Medley') after the Gravity Demos? Does it include 'Whishing You Were' and 'Methusela'?

vaughn1@ekit.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.164.255.60 (talk) 07:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)