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Contents 1 map 2 Immigration issues 3 Category 4 www.melilladirecto.com 5 changed location map 6 City culture and society

[edit] map

The map sucks. Where is Melilla? AxelBoldt 13:30, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Immigration issues

I think some comments should be added regarding the recent problems that they are having with illegal immigration. I just saw something in the news and came here looking for info, but there is nothing in this article.Anagnorisis 19:57, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Also note the rather conflicting content on Melilla_border_fence and on this page. Cite from Melilla_border_fence: In October 2005, over 700 SubSaharan migrants camping on nearby Mount Gurugú tried to enter Spanish territory from the Moroccan border. Many of them were shot. The debate whether were Moroccan Gendarmerie Royale or the Spanish Guardia Civil who shot them is still without conclusion . And on this page In October 2005, over 700 sub-Saharan migrants tried to enter Spanish territory from the Moroccan border. Many of them were shot in the back by the Moroccan Gendarmerie.

82.134.53.194 13:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category

I have substituted the Category:Cities in Morocco with Category:Morocco. Melilla is not in the state of Morocco. It is however an important topic for Morocco. --Error 04:15, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

There's no flag. 130.79.229.160 13:22, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

What does "ISO 3166-1" mean? It's just appended to the introduction with no explanation whatever.

• Click the link: ISO 3166-1 (but basically, it's the standard that sets two- or three-letter and number codes for each country/region). howcheng {chat} 06:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] www.melilladirecto.com

www.melilladirecto.com televisión en internet

[edit] changed location map

I had trouble with the other map, didn't really have any context for where the arrow was pointing to, and even thought the inset (of the Canary Islands) was in relation to the topic: i.e., that Melilla was a group of islands, when I first looked at it. Hope the replacement is considered an improvement. Jauntymcd 03:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Another question: why is the smaller map (detail of Melilla) from a Polish source? Nothing against Polish sources, but it would be good to have one with English details instead. Can anyone find one? I was not able to today. Drkeithphd 15:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

There's a Spanish version at Image:Melilla es.png. I could make an English version if someone is willing to translate the labels. I can figure out "Spain", "Mediterranean Sea", and "Morocco" -- do the rest need to be translated too? howcheng {chat} 16:03, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

That's enought; the other toponyms should stay as they are. Apcbg 17:46, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Done. howcheng {chat} 20:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] City culture and society

I changed this section's name because the previous ("Architecture") was by all means outdated by the content itself: feel free to edit with any other section's title which you deem as more suitable than the new one.

Still, my point is not the title but the two last paragraphs, specially the first one (the second only follows that one and is secondary). It reads

However, in contrast to its image as a multicultural utopia, the Muslim population suffers the highest unemployment rate, the lowest rate of high school graduates, and the lowest representation in the city government. Many Muslims complain that Tamazight is looked down upon as a second-class language. It is not taught in schools and is rarely heard on the state television station. There has only been one Muslim president, Mustafá Aberchán of the Coalition for Melilla political party, installed in 1999 and whose term lasted only one year before his being ousted. Aberchán claims that the current president, Juan José Imbroda, once said that, "Melilla was not 'ready' for a Muslim president." The coalition currently holds seven out of 25 seats in the local parliament.

Well, in the first place, there is no "multicultural utopia" going on in Melilla, at least that I know. But, more important than that, I can't get the point in "the Muslim population suffers (...) the lowest representation in the city government". Well, this is no punishment, but the democratic test and, even worse, it is taking for granted that Muslim are a monolythic bloc which can not vote for other options which are not confessional Muslim. Melilla's local parliament is democratic and not made up from ethnic quotas whatsoever. Also it mixes matters in a tricky way when it says that "Muslims complain that Tamazight is looked down upon as a second class language" also equating Muslim to Tamazight when the actual Tamazight discrimination is much higher in Morocco (a Muslim country) than in Melilla.

I'd appreciate a rewriting of these two paragraphs from any of the 'usual suspects' in this page so that the present poor edition is fine tuned. Thanks. Mountolive 04:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I am moving the whole thing here to see if someone has some suggestion. As for myself, I can't figure out how to go about it: my feeling is that is not encyclopedic but it seems to be referring to a vague cultural discomfort which doesn't seem to be a real issue for the city at the moment.

In contrast to its image as a multicultural utopia, the Muslim population suffers the highest unemployment rate, the lowest rate of high school graduates, and the lowest representation in the city government. Many Muslims complain that Tamazight is looked down upon as a second-class language. It is not taught in schools and is rarely heard on the state television station. There has only been one Muslim president, Mustafá Aberchán of the Coalition for Melilla political party, installed in 1999 and whose term lasted only one year before his being ousted. Aberchán claims that the current president, Juan José Imbroda, once said that, "Melilla was not 'ready' for a Muslim president." The coalition currently holds seven out of 25 seats in the local parliament.

Members of Imbroda's conservative Popular Party, meanwhile, counter that the coalition promotes religious sectarianism. Imbroda himself insists that Melilla will never be ceded to Morocco "because no one wants to go backwards."

Mountolive 01:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)