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Nice article, Celendin. It's certainly grown since the first time I looked at it. :) --Randolph 03:53, 22 May 2005 (UTC)


Thanks, are you an Old Boy ? --Celendin 12:48, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Maybe a MHSOB category should be created lolSmorter 04:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] User Box for MHS

I have created a user box for all the melbourne high students and supportors to put on their wiki home page, to add it to your home page simply cut the following text: {{User Melbourne High School}}. If you have done it correctly it should look like this.

Melbourne High School (Victoria) is a proud supporter of Melbourne High School

This user box was created by Ajindustries, a current student. Ajindustries 08:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)



And here is a new version at Template:User Melbourne High School (Victoria)
This user attends or attended Melbourne High School.





To put this on a user page, type {{User Melbourne High School (Victoria)}}

Any comments? Patche99z 13:56, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you can't use fair use images in user boxes. Although I like the color. --Hamster2.0 18:32, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, that is a surprise, since the image is used on the main page. Could you give me the reference please? Patche99z 10:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I have found the following reference: Wikipedia:Logos, which says "Common sense says that a logo displayed prominently on the logo owner's own website should be OK to use" but then warns about resizing. By and large, I think this use is fair, because the school does use the logo prominently and less prominently, but the copyright issue is so complex that I think I will have a go at drawing another unicorn, specially for the userbox. Any other comments are welcome. By the way, you can check the colour specs if you look at the template page noted above. And my main reason for creating the userbox is that I did not think the wording in the first version is quite what I want to say. Patche99z 15:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the school's logo, although I do think its use would be fair. The replacement logo immediately appeared above. Patche99z 15:09, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

I think that the part about Lindsay Fox making a famous deal with the school to land his helicopter on the school oval is a silly joke that one of the older students may have put in as a bit of fun. If anyone know the real reason for why his helicopter does land on the oval, please include it. For now I'll just remove the bit about the deal. EDIT: Found the answer on Lindsay Fox's wiki page. Shaliron 09:27, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

  • What is absolutely ridiculous about this article is that it makes the "seven pillars" rubbish sound like some sort of anti-hero secret society. As a current student I can say that all it is is some potheads that frequent the Art department tagging up the school. They are pretentious and false, and do not seek to "emphasise the importance of friendship and respect across all of the schools 4 year levels" in the slightest. I think that this should be deleted - as it is, essentially, completely false. The school has enough underserved accolades without people thinking it has its own secret society, much less if the society is merely a group of oxygen thieves intent upon spewing their "non-conformist" filth all over the already broken school.

- It is alright child, Inkblood will get you.

Hey, the tunnel leading to the yarra under the school is untrue, however there is a large cavity under the school that stretches to under the principal's offfice. How do I know? I asked the principal a couple of weeks ago before an assembly. Overall a very comprehensive article, and definately an accomplishment. - Fothers

The underschool area is owned by the Army Cadets, and used as their Q-Store. The validity of the tunnel is very possible, although it would have been Naval commanders escaping, because we were relocated to Camberwell High. - JC

[edit] Famous alumni

  • "Bluey" Truscott - WWII fighter ace and sometime Melbourne goal sneak

I know he existed, but I question the credibility of the comments. For now, he has been removed. For future entries, please include source. --coblin 09:26, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

He is a WWII fighter pilot (he fought for Britain). Source is the Bluey Truscott scholarship pamphlet. Go find one for yourself =P -Readded him Ledward 02:19, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Russel Crowe went to Sydney Boy's High School, by the way. --coblin 09:27, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
What does that have to do with this article? Zhanster 00:37, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

I meant "sometime Melbourne goal sneak"--coblin 05:02, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] protect?

This article seems to be getting a lot of vandalism recently. Not surprising—boys will be boys, even if they're boys that are meant to be smarter than that—but perhaps it would be a good idea to protect it... —Felix the Cassowary (ɑe hɪː jɐ) 12:01, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree.--coblin 05:02, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

No, only Asians apply to get in and we all know they can't vandalise things. --Anonymous.

[edit] Inclusion of Julian Knight

Cassowary, you have misdefined "Famous" and confused it with "Infamous". In lists of alumni for schools they generally list people who have contributed to the community in a positive way. Maybe you should go and create an "Infamous Past Students" section if you really want to put Julian Knight in.

-removed Julian Knight (again)

Ledward 02:15, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Infamous people are still famous. (You yourself said he was ‘famous for the wrong reason’.) Julian Knight is a well-known MHS Old Boy who (at least while I was at MHS) was certainly spoken of often enough. His name warrants inclusion in the list as much as anyone else's. A section on 'infamous past students' separate from 'past students who are notable in the community for having done good things' would be stupid. Not including him is also not NPOV. (Also, its entirely debatable whether footballers have ‘contributed to the community in a positive way’—I vote we delete them, too!)
—Felix the Cassowary (ɑe hɪː jɐ) 04:08, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree with the inclusion of Julian Knight. He was famous. There is no need to remove infamous people. Wikipedia is neutral. It gives facts. It does not stand to bolster the image of MHS. --coblin 07:25, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

I noticed Knight has been removed from the article, and the section renamed to Distinguished Old Boys. As he's far from 'distinguished', does anyone have any objection to the renaming of this section to Notable alumni? -- Longhair 06:13, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Go for it Longhair! No objections here. Grumpyyoungman01 06:27, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fluff

This article could do with a bit of a haircut. "World class", "former glory", etc. - brenneman(t)(c) 01:07, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

More to the point, this is the most Bull-shitty article that i have ever read in Wikipedia, or elsewhere for that matter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.83.201 (talk) 09:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

      damn straight  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.203.251 (talk) 06:08, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Famous alumni guidelines

Not trying to be authoritarian, but the alumni are getting out of hand.

There are alot of significant figures that rise from MHS, we can either not have this topic, or we can. If we do, we need the years they started/graduated (or left, if they didn't graduate). Also need sources please. --coblin 05:00, 11 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Alumni queries

"*Chris Wardlaw - Australian Athletic coach for the Sydney Olympics, currently head of Hong Kong education" What is 'Honk Kong education'? and why is it notable?

[edit] Leadership struggles

The School awards, badges and rank section describes the Army and Air Force cadet ranking system before the school leadership system, and in greater detail. The cadets are one of many involvement activities, and do not warrant such a disproportionately large description in this section. This may give readers the impression that the cadets play a primary role in school leadership. Perhaps this could be trimmed down (with a link to the Australian Cadet Corps website for those who wish to know more), or the other non-cadet leadership roles increased in detail. For example, there is no mention of the music captain at all. Any thoughts? Rocket Surgeon 13:51, 13 April 2006 (AEST)

Agreed. Most of the Cadet ranks in the school are not as relavent to the school as compared to the actual leaders, i.e. Music Captain. Yes the rankings are of some importance but outside the walls of the actual members of cadets, they are not needed in so much detail to the general school community and this article.--Shaliron 11:59, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Relatively easy to fix. Just add a "Music/Co-Curricula programs" section. Ledward 04:56, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

The AAC/AAFC are probably the largest and most influential of the groups at the School.

Are you guys kidding? A minority at the school wear badges...but cadets wear uniforms once a week. Plus, the military have had a great link to this school...more than you think...

[edit] Names of student leadership

We should revert/remove all names of current students which somehow make their way into the article. They are irrelevant to the actual history of the school, and imho are just plugs for themselves.

Ledward 05:00, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Concur. Natronomonas 10:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Cock House

While the target of an awful lot of "hehe, giggle giggle it's funny" editing, I don't think we need to remove all references to it. I was under the impression the houses competed for the Cock House trophy, not Cockhouse... but my memory might be off. Anyone current/more knowledgeable able to help out? Natronomonas 10:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit Protect

How about edit protecting the article. There's vandalism on it everyday. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Demonblade (talk • contribs) 20:57, 22 August 2006.

Not a lot of vandalism here - only one every few days over the past weeks which is not remarkable for a school article. Best to have it kept on watchlists and revert to keep the mess out - Peripitus (Talk) 12:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV Chorale & PIG

These two sections are still ridiculous in the sense that they endlessly self-plug.

I looked at it for about 15 minutes today and I have no idea how to fix it without removing the entire section completely; so I just tagged them. Someone do something!

Ledward 05:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC) I'll try to do my best.

But the sections will be cut down significantly.--Shaliron 08:17, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

We should remove those sections entirely and replace them with summaries of the Music Programme (which really deserves a section of its own) and the Involvement Programme. Excalibur2211 11:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough then. If these involvements get a section, than so do all the others, so it'll be better if there's just a general overview on all of them.--Shaliron 03:28, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Just added a section on the Music Programme, a quick 15 minute type up job. Probably has a lot of typos in it...can someone check and add for me? Thanks. Excalibur2211 04:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Listing Cadet ranks

Do, don't? There's stuff in there I think is relevant to Melbourne High specifically, especially the band note (not many other units have bands therefore the main AAC article will probably not include it, and relevance requires that all the ranks be listed). How would we cull this, if we do, as not to lose information? Excalibur2211 11:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sporting Program

I was suprised that the article makes little mention of the sports program at MHS (besides from a brief mention of the Cockhouse comp), it being one of the key extra-curricular activities at the school. Someone should add a separate section similar to the one's on cadets and music; I would add one myself but I'm busy with study and unfortunately don't have the time. 10:27, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Holidays is just around the corner Excalibur2211 13:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major deviation

Seems like people have gone again for a major advertising fest with the PIG again.

Reverted back to Sharilon's version. Comparing that one and the current one, I think that one is better. There are things that have been added, but I'm lazy. Excalibur2211 13:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Involement Groups

whoever has changed the involvement groups has no idea about which groups are widely held at melbourne high. if you read the groups as they are shown on the page at the moment you would be completely misguided as to the actual structure of them inside school. i speak as a current student. so when i change it can the persiphus guy or whatever stop changing it back to his current misguided one? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.176.160.248 (talk) 06:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

Or you could just do it. I am a current student as well.Internaldesign 00:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] School Song

Should'nt the section of the school song be made into another article (e.g. Honour The Work (School Song) or Melbourne High School Song, etc.) and removed from here (just have a link instead) Adammw 13:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

this article seems very biased towards extra-curricular activities and has hardly any content about normal subjects (e.g. english, maths, other menial and boring subjects)... Adammw 08:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)!

Added subjects. I'd add more, but I'm far too busy and as VCE student I only know about my subjects, and none about what VELS has done to the curriculum Year 10 and below. The school song should stay for now.Internaldesign 00:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bold edits

Greetings, I have completed a set of Bold Edits to significantly cut down on the wordiness and reduce the overall clutter. Too much minor or insignificant information is included in the article. This article can be improved with better quality and choice of words, instead of more information or details. Tiggerjay 15:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] School Song

Honour The Work

School song for Melbourne High School (Victoria). Words by: A.G. Daws; Music by: Charles Breen


First Verse

Blithesome our hearts are and free is our fancy, Swift fly the hours in work and in play, Fain would we linger, but youth turns to manhood, School days are passing, and we must away.


Chorus:

Honour the work, let our motto remind us, When courage weakens and stern grows the fight, Strong, like its pillars, the school stands behind us, Standing for duty, and standing for right.


Second Verse

Lo! Steering westward through life's stormy surges, Those who once laboured and played here are gone; Before them a vision, a lamp lit by learning, A shrine to be guarded and fame to be won. Chorus

Third Verse

Nothing we care for the small time remaining, Shallow the stream our life flows along, Slow though we progress with old muscles straining, We shall prevail, for our spirit is strong. Chorus

Fourth Verse

Red blood of youth calls from far-distant Flanders, Call o'er the sea from Gallipoli shore; Loud rings the voice of the deathless departed: "Honour the work that we honoured of yore." Chorus



It's here if you wish to add it to the page. The article for the song itself was deleted.JodyB talk 16:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Academics

This section should be expanded by information regrading the quality and type of academics provided by MHS. What is not needed is an expanded list of courses available. Thanks. Tiggerjay 16:01, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree. There does not need to be a list of academics, as all high schools are very similar. If there is any courses that are unique, or are deemed "notable," then those should be included. --Dan LeveilleTALK 05:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Melbourne High School disambiguation

Hi, considering the other Melbourne High School(s) around the world are dead links (execpt for the one that isn't even called melbourne high school) shouldn't the "Melbourne High School" article redirect to here automaticlly? Adammw 09:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Agree Mark5677 10:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Agree and done sahanx 09:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lead Image

Somebody quickly write a rationale for the lead image before it gets deleted. It could also use a conversion to SVG. vlad§inger tlk 01:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, I did it. vlad§inger tlk 01:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey, taking about SVG, i tried to make one... it's very dodgy, so if someone could fix it, it probally could be used.... Image:mhs.svg it was based on Image:Mhs2222.jpg (which at least is better than the current one) Adammw 17:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I converted the current image to SVG. Anything else need to be done? sahanx 06:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sydney exchanges

There seems to be a bunch of edits changing Sydney Boys High School to North Sydney Boys High School and vice versa.

According to the school website: http://www.mhs.vic.edu.au/home/ym/impdate.htm

School Exchanges North Sydney Boys' High School Sunday 19 - Tuesday 23 March (Sydney)

So there you go. Wongm (talk) 09:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)