Talk:Meister Eckhart
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[edit] works and doctrines
Hi, person who reverted my "vandalism". The section on Eckhart's doctrines is much too long and detailed to be a section of the main article - hence I moved it to it's own page, which I conveniently linked to when I removed the text. I'm going to go ahead and revert your reversion, and if you want to discuss this change, please do so here. Thank you. Cantara 01:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I added the quote where Eckhart describes the subjects of his preaching. The paragraph was already discussing Eckhart's themes, and that quote is the standard summary of what Eckhart said in his German sermons.
[edit] Need Clarification
What do the words "mysticism is penetrated by the spirit of the University in which it occurred" mean? Lestrade 17:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
[edit] Eudemonism and Christianity
After contrasting the eudemonism of Protestant Christianity with original Christianity and other religions – according to the article on eudemonism, the Christian use of the concept came from Aquinas through Augustine (both lived prior to the Protestant movement). I reverted my edit that noted this, because I don't have a copy of Welt to check on why Schaupenauer may have described it as a Protestant concept. Can you shed some light on this question? --Blainster 19:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
By eliminating asceticism and its central point, the meritorious nature of celibacy, Protestantism has already given up the innermost kernel of Christianity, and to this extent is to be regarded as a breaking away from it. In our day, this has shown itself in the gradual transition of Protestantism into shallow rationalism, that modern Pelagianism. In the end, this results in a doctrine of a loving father who made the world, in order that things may go on very pleasantly in it (and in this, of course, he was bound to fail), and who, if only we conform to his will in certain respects, will afterwards provide an even much pleasanter world (in which case it is only to be regretted that it has so fatal an entrance). This may be a good religion for comfortable, married, and civilized Protestant parsons, but it is not Christianity. Christianity is the doctrine of the deep guilt of the human race by reason of its very existence, and of the heart's intense longing for salvation therefrom.
– Schopenhauer, The World as Will and Representation, Vol. II, Ch. XLVIII
Lestrade 19:59, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
I have to say I am very uneasy reading Schopenhauer's words on Eckhardt. Full of insight though they may be they are filtered through S's very particular negative view of the world. Eckhardt's vision was one of Joy and Love, not despair - he uses these words continously in regard to the experience of achieving union with God. I'm also bored of people, when the encounter someone working in the Christian tradition who's views they have sympathy with automatically calling them a Bhuddist or Hindu (people call the Cathars Buddhists, S saying Eckhardt had to dress his Eastern Mysticism up in Christian garments etc). Because we don't like what Christianity has become doesn't mean when we find people who got close to its true spirit that they weren't Christians. At some point we are going to have to accept that in their purest forms all religious movements get close to a profound spiritual truth, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Sikh, Hindu or whatever. Eckhardt regarded himself as a Christian and we're going to have to accept that.
I'm going to find some quotes by Eckhardt to counterbalance S's interpretation - I may even find some Jung on him. ThePeg 10:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Eckhardt's Death
Am I wrong or is the inference in this article that Eckhardt might not have died but just disppeared off somewhere else? I may be muddling things up but its pretty clear there is no record of his death and the article suggests he may have just continued his teaching elsewhere. Could he have avoid the stake? ThePeg 10:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] what were the charges
What heresy, specifically, was Eckhart charged with? Or "heresies," I imagine. Jonathan Tweet 20:23, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Johannes Eckhart
Why Johannes? Show me one - only one hand where "Johannes" is named! There is only one Meister Eckhart and his name is "Eckhart von Hochheim". Forget your Johannes. --Eckhart Triebel (talk) 23:16, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] the article
I am shocked: "Coming into prominence during the decadent Avignon Papacy and a time of increased tensions between the Franciscans and Eckhart's Dominican Order of Preacher Friars, he was brought up on charges later in life before the local Franciscan-led Inquisition."
Was ist das für ein Quatsch? Was erzählt der uns hier eigentlich? Eckhart hatte es nicht nötig, von der päpstlichen Seite her "prominent" zu werden, er tritt auch nicht erst durch seinen prozess in "prominence" und mit den hier konstruierten "increased tensions" hatte Eckhart nun soviel wie gar nichts zu tun - und die "lokal Franciscan-led Inquisition" ist reine Fiktion. An diesen Aussagen ist nichts wahr, aber auch gar NICHTS. Eckhart Triebel (talk) 23:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Superfluous Info
I just removed some info which didn't have anything to do with Meister Eckhart. It's from the Overview section. I'll post it below. If I was wrong, please feel free to re-include it. Alphabet55 (talk) 19:51, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
The lack of imprimatur from the Church and anonymity of the author of the "Theologia germanica" did not lessen its influence for the next two centuries — including Martin Luther at the peak of public and clerical resistance to the irrationality of the Catholic indulgences — and was viewed by some historians of the early twentieth century as pivotal in provoking Luther's actions and the subsequent Protestant Reformation.
“The two eyes of the soul of man,” says the Theologia Germanica,”cannot both perform their work at once: but if the soul shall see with the right eye into eternity, then the left eye must close itself and refrain from working, and be as though it were dead. For if the left eye be fulfilling its office toward outward things, that is holding converse with time and the creatures; then must the right eye be hindered in its working; that is, in its contemplation. Therefore, whosoever will have the one must let the other go; for ‘no man can serve two masters.’“[1]
