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[edit] Alan

I have a question. Did Alan really need to be hardwired in order to pilot Big Duo? I was always under the assumption that he just let it take control of him, the way Fau did to Alex and the way Big O almost did to Roger. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.200.116.199 (talk • contribs)

Yes he did, because remember when Alex first piloted the Big Fau it went haywire, it needed memories or a dominus. -The Big X 22:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Big Venus

Why is there no info on Big Venus? I'd think there should be...Venus obviously connects with Angel (and has done so before) and has the power to either destroy or "reset" Paradigm City. And in keeping with Lucifer/fallen angel, the whole "a bird whose wings have been plucked will shed all its feathers and turn back into the beast it was before it evolved into a bird." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.200.116.199 (talk • contribs)

because this is Wikipedia and no one has gotten around to it yet? I mean, hell, I keep forgetting to get the info for The Big O infobox, let alone this. There's a lot of articles to edit, and as much as I love Big O, it's sort of low on my priority list right now.. -- Ned Scott 05:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
The article pretends that Venus doesn't exist. Fau is said to be the last Big, but clearly it isn't.--Claude 02:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Again, if this is so.. then be bold. -- Ned Scott 06:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I just edited the article so there is a section on Big Venus using information I got from a Big O website (Paradigm City) plus images of Episode 26 that featured Big Venus (which looks a lot like Big O). Ned Scott, when you have the time, please relay what you think of the addition and if you think there should be any changes, I'll try to accommodate your request. --GrievousAlpha95 23:24, 24, August 2006

Big Venus is clearly seen in many flashbacks to the Event, where it can be seen fighting alongside the other Bigs. So it does exist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.28.73.91 (talk • contribs) 03:12, 27 July 2006

Perhaps worth adding is the connection between Venus and Lucifer through their mutual reference to the term "morning star"--perhaps apropos given the glowing/incandescent appearance of this megadeus. From the Wikipedia article "Lucifer": "Lucifer was originally a Latin word meaning "light-bearer" (from lux, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), a Roman astrological term for the "Morning Star", the planet Venus." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.21.116.50 (talk • contribs) 18:24, 24 August 2006

Comment: I only recall seeing Big Venus in a single flashback in Act 26; was it definitely in others, and if so, which episodes? In addition, I don't recall seeing it referred to in the show as 'Lucifer', as the article states; is this only in the original Japanese? Also, a picture of Big Venus would be very good to illustrate its bizarre colours and similarities to Big O (and a clearer picture of Big Duo would help, too). 86.149.123.70 14:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I've seen the series a couple of times and I don't remember Venus "seen fighting alongside the other Bigs" prior to the final episode. A screenshot, and exact episode and time would be appreciated.
The stuff about Lucifer comes from the Official Companion Book. There's a note from Konaka where he establishes the Planet Venus is also known as the "Morning Star", which in turn is another name for Lucifer.--Nohansen 14:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion: I think that a different picture should be used for Big Venus. The image being used shows that it had wings and that it was present during The Event, but it doesn't really say anything important about its appearance. Being just a shadow it doesn't show any features, and in particular it doesn't show its strange negative properties or its resemblance to Big O; even if it only had those properties for metaphorical reasons, they characterise its lengthiest and clearest appearance. The current image is also misleading as it implies that Big Venus is bigger than Behemoth, but again, when it actually appears it's the same size as Big O, and only its shadow is such an enormous size. I think it'd capture the Big better to use something more like from around 3:10 on this video: [1] (No offence, Big X.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.250.124 (talk • contribs) 14:12, 24 November 2007

[edit] Ammunition?

It states in several places under the armaments section that various laser weaponry, including O Thunder and the eye lasers, require an unknown ammunition. What evidence is there that they are anything more than lasers? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.21.161.229 (talk • contribs) .

In a broad sense ammunition could be taken to mean the power supply for the weaponry, as in how long it can fire before that supply is exhasted. I know that similar attributes are often given to the Mobile Suits of the Gundam universe with regards to laser weaponry; presumably, that is also what is being done here. TomStar81 05:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps, perhaps. It just seems like a rather ambiguous way of speaking about laser weaponry. Nobody would use the term about the power supply of modern lasers. One may argue that that is due to the lack of the widespread use of lasers in war, but... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.21.161.229 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] External Links

Either it is valid to link to sites on the topic, or it is not. Let us not play games with links here, it would be stupid to get the page locked when there was nothing wrong with the link added and it states clearly what the site is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zola (talk • contribs) .

I don't think anyone's playing games, and there's hardly an edit war here.. so just calm down. Links on this article should be pointing to web pages specifically on Megadeus's, not just Big O in general (since they're already in the EL section of The Big O. If you can find a URL from those sites that is more just about the Megadeus, then add those links. -- Ned Scott 05:28, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

There are some forum discussions plus there is our own encyclopedia, that was why I didn't give a specific link. When I finish the revamping of the encyclopedia section, I will come back with the most pertinent specific one. Thank you for your prompt response. :)

PS: Link was also removed from the EL section of The Big O for no apparent reason, thus my concern. -Zola

[edit] Deus ex Machina

I know I've seen speculation on a connection between the term Megadeus and the literary term [Deus ex Machina], but I can't for the life of me find any proper sources on it. The idea was the the name megadeus was a pun off the term, as Big O served as a fairly obvious Deus ex Machina at the end of each episode, at least initially. I don't want to put anything up uncited, though, so if anyone can find any mention of this, it'd be much appreciated. 24.250.221.24 06:03, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Could someone add images of the four Megadei/Megadeuses? It seems as though that would improve the quality of this article. 66.24.229.233 05:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean "four" megadei? There are only The Big Three, the Archetypes, and the Foreign Megadei. -The Big X 23:52, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Speaking of which, don't the foreign megadei have names of their own? I'm pretty sure I saw them on a fansite. Most of the megadeus names aren't given in the show itself, I think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.250.124 (talk • contribs) 14:12, 24 November 2007

[edit] Attribution of the boot sequence quote

I was curious about the source of the "Cast in the name of God; Ye not guilty" quote, and a bit of research seems to indicate that it is not directly lifted from Conan's sword as this article states. One of the swords used in the first Conan film has "Suffer no guilt yee [sic] who wield this in the name of Crom." See:

http://filmswords.com/conan/conan-sword-master-fathers-anniversarys.htm

http://www.danielsengraving.com/engraving/sample8.shtml

I'm not sure if this is a translation issue in the original article Kazuyoshi Katayama read about John Milius, or whether the cited web page paraphrases a bit, but I'd suggest that the section be revised to indicate that the phrase isn't a direct lift from the Conan prop. I think it is reasonable to call it an inspiration, though.

--VishnuSchist 16:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sentence fragments

The edit made by User:Nohansen at 23:16 on 21 February 2007 included a few sentence fragments, along with complete revisions of the article. 24.14.170.40 19:33, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Organization

Alright the article looks much, much better this way. The beginning complements the image of the Big Three, and listed all the enemies in such a scurried manner doesn't look good. The Big X 18:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The the monsters were listed in order of appearance. There was nothing with that, but what the hell, let's live the Big Three up top. The "other megadeuses" could be divided in monsters and actual megadeuses, though.
I did change something. Adding "Land", "Sea" and "Air" was unnecessary. It's obvious and the series doesn't actually make the distinction. Also, the image of the legion of Big O does nothing for this article, so I removed it. It would be better if the Paradigm City article had a section on the Event and move it there.
By the way, the Official Companion Book calls the "Water God", Eel.--Nohansen 19:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I wanted to rename the "Water God but didn't know its name. I would have assumed Eel but we all know what assuming does, lol.
But I would say that the series does indeed make that distinction between the Megadei, but you are right they don't belong in the title. --The Big X 19:39, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
I put the two legendary beasts in one section, good idea? -The Big X 19:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Different ways of organization

Is there anyway to divide the article and the megadei by similarities, but then have another table of contents for when they show up in the series? --The Big X 19:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Angel (Neon Genesis Evangelion) sorts the monsters by the number they are given in the series. RahXephon's Dolem is in alphabetical order. I think for this article, order of appearance is best. Doing categorizing in terms of power, mythology, etc. is likely to get this article tagged as "In-universe fancruft" and deleted.
And no, I don't think a "Legendary Beasts" section is a good idea... specially since Behemoth does nothing in the 15 seconds it's on the show. Like I said, if anything, we could separate the robots (mecha) from the monsters (kaiju).--Nohansen 20:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah i was probably going to revert that. This page would be better if named Enemies of The Big O, because not all the creatures on this page are mechanical, or Megadeuses, a lot are robots. -The Big X 21:51, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Alright we need to start talking about the new way of organization. First of all, monsters? That sounds childish and unprofessional, where if you want it that chronologically then you should just revert it to the way it was before i edited the article. -The Big X 05:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

How is the word Monster "childish"?--Nohansen 16:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
"Organic enemies of The Big O" sounds much better. Monster sounds like a term used due to lack of ability of description, and just isn't a word that would be used to name a section in a Wikipedia. -The Big X 21:25, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Big Fau and Big Duo

These sections hold considerable differences from the other sections, unless the other sections can be conformed to uniformity these sections belong in their own section titled "The Big Three". -The Big X 19:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I can agree with putting the main Big descriptions in episode articles; if anything, I think that the one-off enemies should be described in detail in episode articles, but that the ones that are more important than just a "monster of the week" should be covered here. (Strictly speaking, "The Big Three" would be an original research term, and also inaccurate if we count Big Venus, but unless it's stated in the art book or something it's probably also OR to note Big Fau's adaptation for underwater combat, but I doubt there's any real debate on that.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.250.124 (talk • contribs) 14:12, 24 November 2007
=== Big Fau ===
[[Image:Bigfau.JPG|thumb|240px|Big Fau, introduced as "The Third Big", is designed for [[submarine warfare]].]]
First appearing in Roger's memories of "The Event" in Act 13, and first seen in action during Act 21, aptly titled "The Third Big", Big Fau is the third and final "Big" found in the series which had a certain importance and was piloted by Alex Rosewater. Considered by the Union and Alex to be the most powerful "Big". The parts for Big Fau were transported within the three foreign megadeuses that fought Big O offshore of Paradigm City at the end of the first season and the beginning of the second season. After the foreign megadeuses were disabled (but not destroyed), they were recovered by the Paradigm science team and Big Fau's parts were salvaged and re-assembled secretly under the supervision of Alex, but lacked a memory core. Despite missing this vital component, Big Fau was activated and piloted by Alex Rosewater. Judging by Big Fau's streamlined appearance, its ability to travel effortlessly through the water, its [[conning tower]] shaped head, and the flexible periscope-like laser cannons on its back, it is likely that the Big Fau units were used primarily for naval combat, functioning as heavily armed [[amphibious warfare|amphibious]] craft, and providing ocean-based combat support for land- and air-based megadeuses.

During its maiden battle against the Union Megadeus Bonaparte, Alex could completely control the Big, allowing him to tear Bonaparte to pieces before finally destroying it with Fau's dorsal beams. Once Bonaparte was vanquished, however, Big Fau's dorsal beams disobeyed Alex's orders and began to assault the domes. In response to Alex's claim that he was Big Fau's ''dominus'', Big Fau displayed the message "Cast in the Name of God... Ye Not" before shutting down. Later, Big Fau was jerry-rigged into working by Jason Beck using R. Dorothy's Memory Core, finally completing Fau and allowing it to declare Rosewater "Not Guilty." The Big Fau is the only Megadeus in the series to defeat the Big O after a challenge from Roger Smith. Fau is also the only known Megadeus to fuse with its pilot, Rosewater, via a series of cables plugged into the pilot's back, although Big O attempted to do the same with Roger. Big Fau was eventually disabled by Big O's Final Stage at the end of the Act 26 and removed by Big Venus. Big Fau may be a reference to [[Frankenstein]] because of its long head and bolt-like ears, as well as the nature of its reconstruction.

;Features
Due to its limited screen time, Big Fau did not display as much armament as the other Bigs. Still, it filled this gap by using advanced weaponry and technology which gave Fau the ability to easily defeat the Union megadeus Bonaparte and later, seriously damage Big O and injure Roger Smith during their final confrontation in the last episode.

*'''Saw Cuffs:''' As the name indicates, Big Fau's wrists are equipped with extremely sharp rotative blades which are very useful in close-combat. Used very effectively against the Union Megadeus Bonaparte and later, Big O, they are powerful enough to damage and grind into tiny bits even the thickest armor. They also give Big Fau the ability to travel underwater by using them as turbines.

*'''Eye Beams:''' A standard weapon for every Big, the Eye Beams are super heated beams of light that are shot out of the eyes. This weapon can be used as a long range attack and for cutting through objects. Not actually used during a battle in the series, Big Fau is seen using this weapon in the flashbacks Roger has of the rampaging Bigs.

*'''DD Beams:''' There are two lasers on Big Fau's back called "DD Beams" or "Dual Dorsal Beams" that are attached to a snake-like movable tubing situated on his back which allow these lasers to be fired in any direction. They are powerful enough to destroy a normal Megadeus as seen in the episode "The Third Big" but are no match against Big O's Arm Shields.

*'''Charger Cannon:''' More powerful and larger than the Dorsal Beams, these cannons are integrated in Big Fau's frontal upper torso and deployed horizontally when needed. They appear to use kinetic projectiles instead of beams- they need to charge first before attacking, and combined with their incredibly long-range, could be likened to [[howitzer]]s. The main problem with them is, that they can only fire at objects situated in front or above the Big Fau and the Megadeus must pivot on himself in order to fire in other directions.

*'''Impact Barrier:''' Big Fau is the only "Big" of the whole series to exhibit a standard non-physical barrier. A special invisible shielding which protects Big Fau especially from frontal attacks, making him almost untouchable and invincible. Big O's Final Stage was the only weapon able to penetrate it. It is possible that this was a "non-standard" modification added during Big Fau's construction, but it bears similarities to Big O's Plasma Gimmick.

*'''Rocket Drills:''' Big Fau can spin his fists and Saw Cuffs at extremely high speeds while his arms are shot out of their sockets by small rocket boosters situated at the back of the arms, turning them into highly destructive moving drills. This seems to be more of a last ditch weapon, as the rocket drills can be destroyed while in flight, literally disarming Big Fau and taking away its ability to move underwater as well.

These are the sections put here for archiving purposes, these need to be incorporated into their articles. -The Big X 22:09, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Let's discuss this...

  • Oppose. "Megadeus" is how the giant robots of this series are known. Sure, this article also covers the non-robotic monsters, but that's easily forgiven (or deleted). Also, renaming the article to "Enemies of The Big O" would imply that either Big O is getting its own article (which it doesn't deserve) or it'll be moved to the list of characters (where it doesn't belong).--Nohansen 00:07, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Do. The show also makes it very clear that not all giant robots are megadeuses, along with the organic beings. Why doesn't The Big O deserve its own article? And I doubt anyone would move an article about giant robots and beings that are not at all characters and do not fit under that description. -The Big X 03:21, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I would support splitting Big O's section into a new article if we had info on its role in the manga and Robot Wars videogame; but, as it is, it's not enough. On a related subject, the article is missing the manga-only mechas (namely "Charybdis", "Don Juan", "Dantalion", "Vodyanoy" and "Gigadeus", according to the Japanese article).--Nohansen 15:44, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Why is it not enough? "Megadeus" is extremely vague and only describes about 4 of the robots on here. -The Big X 18:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
What do you mean, "only describes about 4 of the robots"? The giant robots in The Big O are "megadeuses":
  • In Act:04, Schwarzwald says, "these Megadeuses were nothing special" when talking about the Archetype.
  • In Act:07, Alex Rosewater calls Dagon "a decrepit Megadeus".
  • In Act:14, Dastun calls the robots coming from the sea "foreign megadeuses"
  • In Act:15, Roger says "no one will ever know why Wayneright had enough memories to contruct an android and a Megadeus." He's talking about R. Dorothy and Dorothy-1.
  • After Glinda shows up, Norman informs Roger "a Megadeus has appeared at the Upper East Side Dome."
See?--Nohansen 20:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

So then Megadeus only describes 8 of the 23 entries, it is still not enough to keep the article named "Megadeus." And you can barely call the archetypes Megadei, as they are prototypes. -The Big X 20:13, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Why did you change the entire page to a different organization without consulting the community? This is a better way of organization, seriously why would you call it "Monster of the Week"? This is wrong in so many different ways. When was each episode created a week apart from each other? -The Big X 19:01, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

You didn't even what the show, did you? It aired weekly, therefore "monster of the week". And the giant robots are called megadeus.--Nohansen 19:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
If you have any further concerns, bring them up at WT:ANIME. These articles don't get a lot of traffic and if the Project is notified we can get a better feel of the "community"'s opinion.--Nohansen 19:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I watched the show when it first aired but don't have that good a memory to remember what day(s) it was on. And no, not all the robots are called Megadeī (Latin declension of Megadeus would be deus, deī, deō, deum, deō for singular and deī, deōrum, deīs, deō, deīs for plural). -The Big X 00:21, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Try List of Mecha in Big O. Thanks to Cartoon Network, I've only seen random episodes. If the account that not all of the mecha are megadeus, then the term "mecha" should cover them all. The bionic aspect of some won't factor; after all, Evangelions are considered mecha, despite their bionic traits. KyuuA4 07:04, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

But the term is Megadeus. Just like the "monsters of the week" in Evangelion are called "Angels and in RahXephon, "Dolems". There's no need to move the article.--Nohansen 14:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Is every mecha in this article a Megadeus? KyuuA4 17:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
With the exception of the "organic enemies" (and maybe the RX3), it's safe to say all giant robots in Big O are megadeuses. The series doesn't make a distinction between "megadeuses" and "regular robots".
  • In Act:12, Roger says, "The megadeuses left us a technology that surpasses any other in the world."
  • In Act:17, Dastun wonders "Megadeuses... why do they keep coming?"
  • In Act:20, Norman informs Roger "a Megadeus has appeared near Central Dome."
Those three quotes, coupled with the above, are evidence enough... I think.--Nohansen 18:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, if they're ALL Megadeuses... then they're all Megadeuses. Simple as that. If that's the case, no need to change article name here. KyuuA4 20:50, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
What I really want to do is create articles for the 26 episodes, move the megadeuses and homages to their respective episodes and merge this article's lead with Paradigm City in hopes to create a fictional setting article similar to Ivalice.
That was my idea when I wrote The Big O article. This (a "List of mecha in The Big O" and a "List of allusions in The Big O") is not what I wanted.--Nohansen 15:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
As for separate articles per episode -- um, you should check with Ah My Goddess about that. Apparently, episode articles ended up being merged with an episode list per WP:Notability. KyuuA4 20:50, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
That's because AMG's episode articles were only a plot summary. There's seem nothing against episodes articles, as long as editors follow WP:EPISODE.--Nohansen 04:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Act:05 Roger says, "Tell me one thing, where did you get that robot from? Bonnie Frazier?"
  • Act:06 R. Instro says, "He built this robot, Constanze."
  • Act:10 Roger says, "I don't believe it, that robot is a walking bomb!"
  • Act:19 Construction robot is obviously a robot.
I am still watching the episodes to find the quotes give me a little while longer. -The Big X 20:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
That doesn't mean they are not Megadeuses.
  • "Roger's Monologues", comic strips released in the Japanese DVDs, define a Megadeus as "a giant offensive robot."
  • And in Act:20, Alex is watching Bonaparte walking through the city and wonders, "What do those Union robots hope to accomplish at this point? I thought those scrapheap robots fulfilled their purpose."
Exchanging "robot" for "Megadeus" in one sentence doesn't change a thing.--Nohansen 20:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it does. There is a difference between "robots" and "Megadei," you can't say that it doesn't change a thing now, that is what this entire section had been about. Saying that shows that you don't have anything else to say other than that.
And by "Japanese DVDs," are they only Japanese? Because in different languages such a definition may only be that way because of the limitations of the language. Also how can you prove this is the case? I don't have the Japanese DVDs, I live in the U.S., no one can back you up on that claim because you are the only one saying that. -The Big X 20:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
And when Alex Rosewater said that about the Union robots, remember he couldn't say Megadei because the Union had also sent in robots with the Megadei, such as the construction robot and Eumenides. -The Big X 20:53, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Beck calls Dorothy-1 "robot", Roger says it's "Megadeus"; Norman calls Bonaparte "Megadeus", Alex says it's a "robot". There's no clear distinction.--Nohansen 20:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Which episode and what is the time in hours and minutes that Beck calls Dorothy-1 a robot? And I already stated that Alex said "robots" which could mean he was talking about the other union-sent mechas, that weren't Megadei, so yes there is clear distinction. 67.163.33.214 01:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
At around 20 minutes into Act:02, after Roger delivers Beck to the authorities, Beck says, "Oh no... my robot... he broke it." Norman calls Dorothy-1 a robot, too. In Act:01, he informs Roger "a giant robot has appeared in West Dome #5."
Alex was talking about Bonaparte. He was looking right at it (on a monitor) when he said. Plus, the "purpose" he's talking about is delivering the parts for Big Fau.
The transcripts for "Roger's Monologues" are available at Paradigm City. By the way, "Megadeus" in Japanese is Megadeusu and "robot" is Robotto, so there's hardly any "limitations of the language".
Again, the series doesn't make a distinction between "Megadeus" and "giant robot". Megadeus is the term The Big O uses. Like Evangelion uses "Angel", RahXephon uses "Dolem", Code Geass uses Knightmare Frame, Mazinger Z uses Mechanical Beasts, etc. It's actually a pretty common feature in mecha anime.--Nohansen 03:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The limitations I was talking about would be in the grammar of the Japanese DVDs, I knew the words would be fairly far apart.
Did the term Megadeus even exist in Acts 1 and 2? The first time Megadeus is used in the series is the 7th episode. Think, the creators just made their anime, they probably didn't have the term already made. And yes you said "it" but Alex said "robots" so he was talking about all the union robots that have been sent, not saying Boneparte was a Megadeus.
Or even is Dorothy-1 a Megadeus? When do they call her one? -The Big X 05:04, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I rest my case there is clearly a distinction between "robot" and "Megadeus". -The Big X 21:23, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

No, there isn't. Here's (one more time) why:
  • At around 20 minutes into Act:02, after Roger delivers Beck to the authorities, Beck says, "Oh no... my robot... he broke it." My robot is Dorothy-1. Norman calls Dorothy-1 a robot, too. In Act:01, he informs Roger "a giant robot has appeared in West Dome #5."
  • In Act:15, Roger says "no one will ever know why Wayneright had enough memories to contruct an android and a Megadeus." He's talking about R. Dorothy and Dorothy-1.
  • "Roger's Monologues", comic strips released in the Japanese DVDs, define a Megadeus as "a giant offensive robot."--Nohansen 22:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Alright in your first post you proved what I said, the term "Megadeus" didn't exist when they created the first episode, so they used "robot", and your comparison to Act:15 isn't relevant because of this fact and that the second season holds considerable differences. As for the comic strips how else would you describe a Megadeus? Yes you can say it is a robot in a way but it is on a higher level, here is a diagram:

Megadeus
/\ /\
|| ||
Robot

That a robot reaches a certain point where it becomes a Megadeus, but that does not mean all robots are Megadei, then you would be saying the Construction Robot is a Megadeus, which it is not. -The Big X 19:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this definition. Any megadeus is a robot, but not any robot is a megadeus. Also, is there any consensus on whether or not "megadeus" should be capitalised? I've always assumed that it's not.
Whether all robots in the series are "Megadeus" or not can be debated until kingdom come, but it doesn't change the fact that the term exists since the first episode ("What? Not again!... That damn Megadeus just had to show up...") and that the series doesn't make a distinction between normal giant robots and Megadeus giant robots.--Nohansen (talk) 04:04, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New move section

I think this title better suits this article. -The Big X 22:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it's more accurate, so long as the non-megadeus enemies are going to appear in the article, but I think it's important that there be a megadeus section somewhere, given how distinct and important they are. Perhaps there could be a megadeus article that serves purely to define and explain the term, and also go into a bit of background on the more significant ones (the Bigs, the Archetype and Behemoth and Leviathan), but leave the actual mecha list along with the monsters? Or maybe the monsters, along with other one-off enemies, could be covered in episode articles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.250.124 (talk • contribs) 14:12, 24 November 2007
We recently re-instituted the articles for The Big O, so this article may soon become obsolete. -The Big X 00:56, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
If this article becomes obsolete (assuming the episode articles don't get redirected or deleted), the lead should be merged with Paradigm City. This way, we can create a fictional setting article like Ivalice or Spira.--Nohansen (talk) 03:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template for appearence

Enemies by Episode
The Big O - 1 to 26
Dorothy-1 - 1&2
Eel - 3
Archetype - 4
Osrail - 5
Constanze - 6
Dagon - 7
Chimera - 8
Beck Victory Deluxe - 9
Eumenides - 10
Daemonseed - 11
Big Duo - 12
Foreign Megadeuses - 13&14
Glinda - 15
Satellite - 16
Leviathan - 17
Big Fau - 21
Construction Robot - 19
Bonaparte - 20&21
Hydra - 22
Scorpion Attack Units - 23
Big Duo Inferno - 24
Behemoth - 25
Big Venus - 26  

-The Big X 03:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I implemented this as a better version, you can realign it if you want or fix it, don't remove it this is awesome. -The Big X 18:31, 2 November 2007 (UTC)