Wikipedia talk:Mediation Committee/Nominations/Deskana

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[edit] IRC and mediation

The below discussion isn't specific to this nomination for Deskana and is merely cluttering up the nomination page. Please continue all discussion regarding the merits of IRC mediation here. This was done under the discretionary ability noted here, as this discussion isn't specifically related to Deskana's ability to serve on the Committee (given it is a long-standing Committee practice which has been used in the past). Daniel 01:33, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
  • The only thing I have any concerns about is this:"move the mediation off to IRC/e-mail/MedCom wiki or other appropriate medium". I believe that IRC is not the proper place for actual mediation. Other then that, I trust Deskana. ~ Wikihermit 00:02, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Thank you for your support, but I'd like to add that offering the possibility of mediation on IRC has been a mediation committee practice for a while, as far as I'm aware. This isn't anything new. --Deskana (apples) 00:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
      • I know, I'm not a fan of too many wikipedia actions/ect taking place on IRC. You've seemed to explain your point though (on IRC none the less :-)). ~ Wikihermit 00:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
        • There really is no problem with it. I think you are confused. It appears you are thinking about what happens when someone blocks someone on-wiki with a summary like "per IRC". That is completely different from Mediation, one of the core parts of the Mediation Committee is that something like this should be allowed to be done off-wiki, like on IRC, if need be. Mediation is not binding at all, it is just an aim to get parties to stop fighting by understanding each other, not forcing them by doing something like blocking, that is the Arbitration Committee. It's not a "tangible" Wikipedia action. My opinion, of course. :-) Cbrown1023 talk 00:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
          • Virtually identical to what I said, but I was just too lazy to type it again :-p --Deskana (apples) 00:36, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
            • I guess we see eye-to-eye! :-) Cbrown1023 talk 00:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
              • As Deskana notes, IRC mediation has been offered/used by the Mediation Committee in the past, and I cannot envisage that the Committee has any reason for this to be discontinued. Mediation is a) not binding; b) confidental; and c) privileged, and IRC can be effective as a mediation medium. Daniel 01:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
                • Wikihermit: I have utilised IRC in the past, both by my own choice, and by party request. It certainly has a lot of advantages over on-Wiki (or email/MedComWiki) Mediation - immediate response (and thus immediate progress, for good or bad) is one. For these reasons, I simply don't think that your concerns impact on Deskana's ability as a Mediator (in fact, I think they show resourcefulness and capability). Anthøny ん 11:16, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
  • ("undenting") Such discussion and I didn't even know :-) Per the point that Mediation is not binding, I don't have any problems with it now. I knew Meditation wasn't binding, but I didn't know MedCom offered IRC mediation, and it caught me off guard for a nom to state that they would mediate via IRC when, to my knowledge, I didn't know this was a standard practice.</runonsentence> Cheers. ~ Wikihermit 00:39, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
    • This is one of the many problems with the English Wikipedia, it messes up your thoughts on certain practices. Tons of discussions from board meetings to committee meetings to idle chat to steward jobs to requests for CheckUser and oversight take place over IRC. But because people were complaining about the #wikipedia-en-admins situation, many people in the community automatically see IRC and think "oh noes", that is definitely not the case. Note, I'm not yelling at you, I'm using your statements to speak about my own POV. :-P Cbrown1023 talk 19:06, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
      • No problems, Wikihermit - IRC is not heavily used for Formal Mediation, especially since MedComWiki got up and running, so I'm not surprised you found it odd. Anthøny ん 18:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)