Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-01-12 Religious Democracy

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Article: Islamist democracy State: Closed Requested By: Farhoudk Other Parties: User:Patchouli Mediated By: Somitho Comments: Same as case Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-01-11 Islamic democracy‎

Contents 1 Mediation Case: Religious Democracy 1.1 Request Information 1.2 Mediator response 1.3 Compromise offers 1.4 Discussion 2 No editing

[edit] Mediation Case: Religious Democracy

[edit] Request Information

Request made by: Farhoudk 11:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Where is the issue taking place?

Four viewpoints of Jewish, Christian, Muslim (Sunny and Shia) and other religions about relation between religious and democracy discussed in the article named as Religious Democracy but some people change the title to Islamist democracy which cause a great confusion and bias in the context and aims of the main article.

There are two viewpoints of Islamic democracy as described in the lead section. A POV fork of the second type has been started.--Patchouli 22:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Who's involved?

Mainly User:Farhoudk & User:Patchouli.

What's going on?

User:Patchouli changed the name of the article from Religious Democracy to Islamist democracy since he/she beleives that the article is going to describe Islamic Republic of Iran current situation and the article is only a political propaganda. But User:Farhoudk intends to describe the term Religious Democracy from a general philosophical point of view which include all ideas from various religious scholars.

What would you like to change about that?

Reverting the title of the article to its original one which was Religious Democracy not Islamist democracy.

Would you prefer we work discreetly? If so, how can we reach you?

Yes please. Through my talk page.

[edit] Mediator response

Alan.ca has this case, a merger had been done by a party; and it had to be fixed. This broke a few things. Readd as necessary. Somitho 23:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

If this case is the same as the other one the two should be merged and this one closed. I have closed it. Please direct all comments to the other case. --Ideogram 00:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Compromise offers

It don't think it is necessary, but Farhoudk can add a short synopsis (no longer than a paragraph) at Religious democracy (disambiguation).--Patchouli 21:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

!? I will never underestand you. Farhoudk 08:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

The article is an Iran-centric article that claims Islamist democracy is novel presented to the world by Ruhollah Khomeini. It has been articulated by Yusuf al-Qaradawi and other Islamists[1][2]"...Two points by the author deserve further illumination. First, Feldman makes a distinction between Islamic and Islamist democracy.... " .--Patchouli 18:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Employees of the Islamic Republic who edit Wikipedia in their spare time have been dithering & can't decide on censoring Wikipedia. See User_talk:Gerash77#I_have_retired.21.

• It is evident that User:Patchouli does not separate the terms Islamist democracy and Islamic democracy which is the title of another article in the WP. Since the title of Mediation which is proposed by him/her is not Islamist democracy but Islamic democracy!
• The term Islamist used by Feldman as a synonym for Islamic exterimists. In this view Islamist democracy can not exist. Since Islamic extremists are theocrat and Theocracy and Democracy can not coexist in a country at the same time.
• But Dr. Soroush uses a wider concept of legalism instead, to cover all religions. A legalist could be a Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu etc. The term legalism together with secularism has mentioned in the Religious democracy article as opposing groups to religious democracy. This is also the gap between religious and secular Jews which proved too difficult to bridge. See Jewdasim and Democracy in the Religious democracy article.
• It is not claimed in the article Religious Democracy that Ruhollah Khomeini introduced the term Religious democracy, but his opinions related to Religious democracy has been introduced to show the compatibility of Islam and Democracy from Shia POV.
• Opinions of Ruhollah Khomeini mentioned in the Shia section. Opinions of sunni scholars such as Yusuf al-Qaradawi can be put in the sunni section as well.

Farhoudk 06:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Islamist democracy is a sub-article of Islamic democracy.--Patchouli 06:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

They were separate articles but Patchouli merged them. Farhoudk 08:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no merit to further forking Islamist democracy into Shia Islamist democracy & Sunni Islamist democracy.--Patchouli 06:51, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Therefore to avoid confusion, it is better to merge all articles under the name of Religious democracy to show all opinions of Jews (Religious extremist and secular), Christians (various branches), Muslims (Sunni and Shia) etc. in its different sections. Farhoudk 08:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

You are creating a mishmash.--Patchouli 09:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No editing

I would ask all parties to affirm they are willing to refrain from editing the article in question until the case has be settled. If you're willing to do so, please use '''accept''' or if not '''reject''' and sign. Somitho 22:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)