Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-05-14 Ryan Seacrest
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[edit] Mediation Case: 2006-05-14 Ryan Seacrest
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[edit] Request Information
- Request made by: Pacian 19:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- Where is the issue taking place?
- Ryan Seacrest
- Who's involved?
- Pacian and Ace Class Shadow (and an anonymous IP)
- What's going on?
- I have added a section on the page RE: the ongoing (over 2 years) rumours about Seacrest's sexuality. These have come to a fruition with insinuations by actress Teri Hatcher that Seacrest used her to deflect these rumors. The section has been removed twice: once by an anonymous user, and once by Ace Class Shadow. ACS left a very confrontational message on the talk page wherein he stated that he felt the section was unencyclopedic, though he did not state why. I left a message on his talk page explaining WHY the information is encyclopedic, notable and worthy of inclusion. I also directed him to the Writer's Rules of Engagement to refresh his memory on what kind of statements are acceptable on Wikipedia.
- What would you like to change about that?
- I do not contest that the section probably needs to be re-written, and I said this much on the talk page when I first added it. However there is no doubt in my mind that the section needs to remain. Gay people have been persecuted in Hollywood (and in general) for many years, and this has caused many major gay celebrities - Rock Hudson and Robert Reed are two examples - to live closeted lives up until their deaths. As long as it is stated that the rumours are unproven (until such time as they are or are not proven definitively,) they are relevant, and with major celebrities who *DO* have a previously established relationship with Seacrest adding fuel to the fire, it was time for this section to be added.
- If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?
- Discretion not required.
- Would you be willing to be a mediator yourself, and accept a mediation assignment in a different case?
- Yes
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- This is, following the Categorical Imperative, the idea that you might want to do
- what you expect others to do. You don't have to, of course, that's why it's a question.
- ..
[edit] Mediator response
I've looked through the original post. Both parties seem to agree the text as written has problems. Both are willing to include plaintiff's crucial facts providing it is rewritten in terms of Teri Hatcher. I think the rewrite in terms of Teri Hatcher is a reasonable solution and so I'm issuing a summary close as a reasonable compromise offer was made almost immediately. jbolden1517Talk 21:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Evidence
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[edit] Compromise offers
[The following text was taken from talk page
- You could have written it properly to begin with. ...Now. Let's see. You're fuming over...the Ryan Seacrest thing. Okay. Now, you feel Teri Hatcher—Not Kathy Graffin, the comedian you also mentioned in your little section, who is known for calling Clay Aikin gay, as well, but not based on stereotypes and rumors, just like Ryan—would know. You make fairly good points here. Shame you had not done so in the article. It was unencyclopedic the way you wrote and mentioning Griffin as well as Tom Cruise hurts your cause, rather than help it....I thought I made that point clear. If you want to write something better focusing on Teri and how "shew would know", go ahead. I'm not inclined to stop you, and I'm definitely not ignorant. I just don't want the reader getting the wrong message from an article. ACS (Wikipedian) 19:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Given that the original poster agrees there is a problem as written and is capable of making the case in terms I'd consider this a reasonable compromise. jbolden1517Talk 21:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Comments by others
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