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Greetings. Thanks for your input at Xingyiquan. We are woefully short of reliable information about most of the Chinese martial arts in general, as I'm sure you can see... This listing may interest you: Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_martial_art. Thanks again, Fire Star 28 June 2005 15:36 (UTC)

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[edit] Xingyiquan

Interesting to compare the character for blowfish that you added, and the character used by Sun Lutang in his Xingyiquan Xue text for Tai (flycatcher) that I just added. Is this another example of translation or transcription problems? --Medains 06:15, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

The left half of the blowfish character means "fish" and the right half of the flycatcher character means "bird." (If you'll note, it's also in the characters for eagle, chicken, hawk, and crane. Why not swallow? I don't know.)
The right half of both the blowfish and flycatcher characters means "platform," which doesn't have anything to do with anything except that, as a character on its own, it's pronounced "tái"
So one could read the blowfish character as a code for "fish that sounds like 'tai'" and the flycatcher character as "bird that sounds like 'tai'"
JFD 14:21, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
How come you removed 𩿡? That character is exactly the description in the text. Perhaps you can show a scan of Sun Lu Tang's book demonstrating the character. Qaexl 11-06-2006
�::: 𩿡 is the part of the Unicode standard. It just so happens that you're not using the most recent version of Unicode on your computer. Please refer to the standard Unihan database: http://www.unicode.org/cgi-bin/GetUnihanData.pl?codepoint=29FE1 which includes both the graphical glyph and what your browser displays. Qaexl 11-07-2006
I looked at it on my windows box, and yeah, it isn't there. The box I'm using is Linux Gentoo; there were a bunch of fonts I downloaded, but I don't remember which ones are active right now. I'm not sure where to find the updated fonts for Windows. By the way, what's the netiquette for communicating on these talk things on Wikipedia? I havn't figured out how to insert those timestamps, let alone where messages should be left. Qaexl 11--13-2006

[edit] Greetings

Yes, I have an idea of what you mean. I have seen parts of the Taijiquan article copied and pasted to other websites, and the webmaster of one Chen style site even signing his name to my prose! I complained and he subsequently properly credited Wikipedia. As well there are dozens of WP mirror sites which contain various versions of our articles, some several years old. What I do is I make sure the information I put in the articles is general, not specific. No one will be able to use the stuff I put in to figure out an application, for example. Hopefully, they will be able to use the info to see if a teacher doesn't have the complete syllabus or is lying about their history. This is more of a problem with Taijiquan than with Xingyiquan, naturally. My main goal here is to bring up the general standard of context for westerners looking into the martial arts. In that sense, I also spend a lot of time making sure that the articles for "opportunistic" groups and practises such as Reiki, Falungong and Mantak Chia don't become simple adverts for their dodgy schemes. Regards, --Fire Star 13:49, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

If Mr. Medains is interested in Japan, Please contact me in Japan.

E-mail: tshin@gaia.eonet.ne.jp

Nickname: shujesus

[edit] Note on Tai

The "stand" bit of the Tai character is not just for sound. As well as "stand" it means "perch". The Tai Bird hunts from a perch, and also displays from a perch, so it's called "Tai", i.e. "perching bird". Hope it helps.

[edit] Possible Answer

Anyone know if 岳忠 is another name used for Yue Fei generally, or is this a one-off use?

忠, zhōng = Loyalty, devotion, fidelity. I'm guessing that they were calling him "Loyal Yue" because of his loyalty to the Song Empire. It sounds like a nickname. This is the first I've ever heard of this. Most of the time, he is mentioned as "King Wumu". (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 01:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC))

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[edit] Leitai

I've posted a reply to your comments on the leitai page. If you reply back, I won't be able to read them for a couple of days as I will be on a short holiday. Thanks. (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 16:50, 13 September 2006 (UTC))

Thanks. I've posted a reply to your comments. (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 18:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC))
I've added new info about the "Central Guoshu institue" and rearranged the page a bit. I know it looks kind of messy, but I will fix it and add more info after I return home from work and get some sleep. Tell me what you think of the changes. Thanks. (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 00:13, 16 September 2006 (UTC))

I've posted a topic on the "Chinese History Forum", which will hopefully lead to good information about the Leitai and its history. I've chatted with one person who said they have a Chinese book with some info about it. This might take him a few weeks to find. When new info is available, I will add it. If you see problems with the page, feel free to edit. I am by no means the owner. I just got the ball rolling. Thanks for the comments. (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 00:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC))

I've also contacted a person who seemed to have some good historical knowledge of the non-sanctioned "personal duels" fought on the leitai. These duels were outlawed before the Central Guoshu institute held their government sanctioned leitai bouts. I've read this on several sights, but none of them were reputable enough to be used as a reference.
  • This one didn't work out, but he pointed me in the direction of a master named Andrea Falk. I'm sure you have heard of her. He passed along her email and told me to ask her about the Leitai stuff since she has translated many works about chinese martial arts into english. Hopefully she can help me out with some concrete historical info prior to 1928! (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 01:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC))
Apart from this, I've discovered some info that might answer your question on whether more leitai bouts were fought. It seems after the Communists took over China in 1947, the national government relocated to Taiwan. Wushu was outlawed on the mainland, so the Guosh bouts were carried out in Taiwan. In 1955 and 1957, leitai bouts were held. The fighters wore no protective gear (besides "gardening gloves" on their hands} and their was NO weight class. There were more held, but one famous one was held in 1986. I plan on writing this info into the page.
I also plan on shortening the "Sanda" section just to make room for a new "Guoshu" section. Apparently, this is the same exact thing, but different rules. Sanda is Chinese. Goushu is Taiwanese. I think Guoshu is fought strickly on the leitai. I will add the info about the 1955 Guoshu stuff in this section. I will also try to read up more on Sanda to find which divisions of Chinese fighters fight on the Leitai and those that fight in a normal ring. The same goes for American Sanda. (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 05:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC))

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I just found a source that states the Leitai was in use as far back as the Qin Dynasty. It was used to hold Jiao Li competitions between soldiers to see who would be an imperial bodyguard. I've written the website where I found it in the hopes of obtaining a reference to where they found their info. This same info appears on the Shuai Jiao page as well. It's linked to the leitai page. (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 19:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC))

I've written the source about the Qin Dynasty origins and the other about the Song Dynasty origin. Both replied quickly and said both were correct! The info about the Leitai during the Qin Dynasty came from the Kuoshu Department at the University of Chinese Culture in Taipei, Taiwan. It was a translation of an ancient Shuai Jiao text. The woman who wrote me said:
"the Lei Tai has evolved over a number of centuries into a number of variants of what we understand the Lei Tai to be today. The Qin, Tang and Song Dynasty, may have had a number of similarities, but also some distinct differences: construction; length; breadth; height; location; use; rules of engagement; the number of Judges; and the number of Referees".
She was very thorough and even mentioned the water Leitai and the Leitai tournaments in Taiwan during the 50's. I'm still trying to gather all the info I need for the new "Guoshu" section. (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 10:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject_Martial_Arts

Greetings, if you check my contributions I have been doing a bit of work on martial arts related entries generally. Is there anything specific I can do for the project? --Mista-X 16:41, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm one of the various people who got a note from you on their talk page, so let me know on my talk page if there is anything in particular I can help with. The main contribution I could probably make is through the access I have to a number of research tools, especially newspapers from the last 20 years or so. Of course, I could just check the 'to-do' bit, though not seeing anything I could contribute anything to at the mo. :D Slideyfoot 12:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd be more than happy to help with this project(as would several individuals I know of). My focus is mostly on European and Western Martial Arts, especially the German, Spanish, and Italian Schools of Swordsmanship as well as the Historical European martial arts and historical fencing areas. I'd like to help get the martial arts section a little bit more under control and organized, as you noted, like the Military History Project with divisions on sub-task forces and whatnot to help get articles split up a little better for editors. -- Xiliquiern 14:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't really do martial arts, as I have a short attention span which means I'm always working on different things all the time. One of my interests of research just happens to be martial arts, the techniques and history. But hey, I'm constantly looking for tasks to do and I really wouldn't mind earning a barnstar, so if there's anything at all I can do, just let me know. Btw, I see you have a project on military history. I just happen to be interested in that sort of thing as well. KIT (Keep In Touch). Dessydes 05:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Greetings, thanks for the note. The different Wiki-MA projects have indeed been pretty dead recently, and they never were that active in the first place. I'm willing to contribute my two fen to the discussions, however. Cheers! --Fire Star 火星 21:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Nice work on instating the quality scale for Martial Arts. I was just about to do it myself, until I noticed that you'd beaten me there.
How about including an importance scale (like WikiProject:Japan has)? Martial Arts seems to be relatively small, so it helps if people can see which articles are rated as being most vital to work on.
-- Sasuke Sarutobi 19:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello! I got your message and I'm still in for helping out with the WP:MA. I think one of the issues with putting martial arts on wikipedia is that it wasnt written down or published as often enough as prefered and was passed down primarily by verbal communication between instructor and student. Right now, I'm trying to survive school and am waiting for a book to come in on Tae Kwon Do. I'll help out wherever I can. Good job taking up a leadership role in the project. Xlegiofalco 07:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Wikipedia:Copyrights

Greetings. When you see a copyvio substituted for a preexisting article, it is OK to simply revert back to the previous version. If the editor changes it back, you can warn them and revert again, and I don't believe WP:3RR applies to reverting copyvios. If the editor persists, I will be happy to also warn and possibly sanction them. If it is a new article that seems to be a copyvio, you can blank it, tag it and add it to the copyright problems list where unless it is fixed (hopefully) it will be deleted in a week or so. Cheers! --Fire Star 火星 15:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Martial Arts Project

Hi Medains, thanks for the note on my user page. I'll try to help out as much as possible on the Martial Arts Project. My time is limited because we're busy with several projects on Bullshido to help the greater MA community, but having Wikipedia as a source for hype/myth free information on the arts is highly important to our little watchdog group. You can also check in with User:Scb_steve who is our designated rep here. Thanks! --Phrost 21:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Guoshu

I have prematurely added some of my Guoshu research to the Leitai page. Tell me what you think. I have plenty more where that came from, but I would like to merge it all into a few paragraphs.

That Francombat will not stop! He now has 3 different accounts on Wikipedia: Francombat, SheldonWongs and Youwannafight. Isn't that against regulations? All of these accounts were literally created within days, hours, or even minutes of eachother. And all of these people are pissed about my article. And all of them claim how it is going to be deleted in the future because I didn’t consult their organization for PERMISSION! Can you believe that crap?

He is even leaving me insulting messages on my Myspace account.(!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 03:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC))

Thanks for the advice. I have reported him to Myspace and the United States Kuoshu Federation in addition. I'm hoping to hear back from them soon.(Ghostexorcist 21:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Newspaper

You originally wrote this on the Lei tai discussion page which has been archived here:

14) Chen Zhaopi's victories, the referenced page doesn't detail this event (except for the 17 day part) - finding the newspaper article that provoked this would be a great addition!

Well, I have some good news. I found a book which names the newspaper, the article's writer and gives details about what was written. I have added this to the section describing Chen Zhao Pi and his fights on the Lei tai. (see here) (Ghostexorcist 21:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC))

I've also added some book material to the history section, as well as several more books to the Literature section. (Ghostexorcist 00:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC))

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[edit] Yue Fei

I originally wrote the following on Yue fei’s talk page:

Yue Fei has two biographies; one historical and one fictional. The historical biography was compiled in 1345 along with the “History of the Song”, which is one of the Twenty-Four Histories. It is called Yue Fei Zhuan (岳飞传 – "Yue Fei Biography"). The second, a fictional biography, was originally written between the years 1661-1735. It is called Shuo Yue Quan Zhuan (說岳全傳 - "Speak Yue's Entire Biography"). This has its own page on Chinese Wikipedia.

I think these should be added to the article. But I’m too busy to add it myself. So I’m writing this in the hopes that someone will do it for me. For more information about the biographies, see my article on Zhou Tong (monk), Yue Fei's archery teacher. If you go to external links of my Zhou Tong page, you can read the full historical biography (Chinese only). I used an internet translator as my Chinese SUCKS!

I write to you because on the Chinese military history wikiproject you wrote: "(Mostly interested in Yue Fei and the surrounding Song Dynasty period)". The article is a complete mess. Much of the information about Yue Fei's life prior to the military is based upon Yue Fei's fictional biography and some of the material comes from the Qing Dynasty, which is not as good as a secondary source from the Song Dynasty. I'm sad to say that I added a great deal of this information to the page. But now that I've done more research, I know better. For instance, the part of the page that says

His first martial teacher was a then-famous spear and sword master from the same county named Chen Guang (陈广). He began teaching Yue Fei spearplay when the boy was 11 years old. [1] However, the book èr wáng shì (鄂王事), by Sun Qiu (孙遒), states Chen Guang was hired by Yue Fei's maternal grandfather, Yao Daweng (姚大翁), when the boy reached the Ji Guan (及冠) or "Conferring Hat" period of his life. This was an "adulthood" ceremony held for young man ages 15-20. His second martial teacher was the archer Zhou Tong (1040–1119?), who taught Yue Fei archery. In the History of Song - Biography of Yue Fei (宋史•岳飞传) it is recorded Yue Fei "挽弓三百斤，弩八石" (was able to draw a bow of 300 Jin and a Cross-bow of 8 Shi).

is wrong in several places. Chen guang is not mentioned in either of Yue Fei's historical or fictional biographys, which were written centuries apart. But he appears all of a sudden in Qing Dynasty material (and foward). Where was he and where did he go? There is no evidence written prior to the Ming Dynasty which proves Chen Guang was Yue Fei’s spear teacher. If you would like to read more about Yue Fei's biographies, please read my Jow Tong page. I would make said changes myself, but I'm too busy working on some of my other articles (among other daily and nightly responsibilities in my own life). Do you think you could help me out? (Ghostexorcist 23:07, 28 December 2006 (UTC))

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[edit] Reply

I left you two replies to your comments and suggestions on the Yue Fei talk page. The only reason I added the info about his bios is because the anonymous user who last edited the page royally screwed it up. They made it sound like Yue Fei had 3 martial arts teachers as a child. They confused Zhou Tong to be two different people. Here is what they originally had (the emphasis in bold is mine):

--- His first martial teacher Zhou Tong an 11th century Shaolin Monk who started training Yue Fei when the boy was 11 years old he studied in the Chung-nan mountains of Shinsei province China being schooled in the 'divine-boxing' style by his teacher. He called his art Channan for its place of origin the Chung-nan mountains after his death the systems name was called Yueh Jia Quan and it has a long and interesting history. His next martial teacher was a then-famous spear and sword master from the same county named Chen Guang (陈广). He began teaching Yue Fei spearplay . [2] However, the book èr wáng shì (鄂王事), by Sun Qiu (孙遒), states Chen Guang was hired by Yue Fei's maternal grandfather, Yao Daweng (姚大翁), when the boy reached the Ji Guan (及冠) or "Conferring Hat" period of his life. This was an "adulthood" ceremony held for young man 20 years old. His third martial teacher was the archer Tong Jui (1040–1119?), who taught Yue Fei archery. In the History of Song - Biography of Yue Fei (宋史•岳飞传) it is recorded Yue Fei "挽弓三百斤，弩八石" (was able to draw a bow of 300 Jin and a Cross-bow of 8 Shi). ---

Problems

  1. Zhou Tong was never a Shaolin monk. None of Yue Fei’s bios or other sources support this. The last time I edited this page, prior to the above edit, I correctly portrayed Zhou as an archer. Then the person switched it back.
  2. None of Yue’s bios say he trained in Chungnan mountain as a child. I think they are confusing this with the legend about how Ji Longfeng traveled to Chungnan mountain and received the Yue boxing manual from the monks there.
  3. As I told you when I asked if you could help with this page, I originally added the info about this “Master Chen Guang”. However, as it currently says on the page, Chen Guang is not mentioned in Yue’s bios written prior to the 20th century.
  4. Zhou Tong and the horribly mistranslated Tong Jui from the bottom are one in the same. Only Zhou Tong taught Yue Fei archery.

Anyway, thanks for taking interest in helping this article. (Ghostexorcist 22:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC))

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[edit] Appearance

I added the following to the Yue Fei page. I thought you might find it interesting:

History professor He Zongli of Zhejiang University says according to the "Zhong Xin Four Generals" Pictures', painted in the Southern Song Dynasty by Liu Songnian, Yue was more of a scholarly general with a shorter stature and chubbier build than the statue of him currently displayed in his tomb in Hangzhou. This statue portrays him as being tall and skinny.

Shen Lixin, an official with the Yue Fei Temple Administration, holds the portrait of Yue Fei from the "Zhong Xin Four Generals" Pictures' to be the most accurate likeness of the general out of all the existing material about him."

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[edit] Peer Review for Song Dynasty

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[edit] Could you help me write this article?

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[edit] Kempo Styles

Related: Kempo - Koryu

Systems: torite kogusoku (close combat, grappling with & without weapons), tojutsu (odachi, kodachi, tanto, bokken); bojutsu; naginatajutsu (nagamaki); kusarigamajutsu; chigirikijutsu; ryofundojutsu
Date founded: late Muromachi period (ca. 1573)
Founded by: Araki Mujinsai Minamoto no Hidenawa
Present representative/headmaster: 17th generation shihan, Kikuchi Kunimitsu; 18th generation shihan, Arakawa Seishin; 17th generation shihan, Suzuki Nobuo
Primarily located in: Gunma and Saitama Prefecture
Kenjutsu
Founded by Togo Shigekura Bizen no Kami (1563-1643).
One of the more famous followers of this ryu was Saigo Takamori (1827-77), the leader of the revolt on the island of Kyushu against obligatory conscription decreed by the emperor Meji.
  • Jiseido
  • Jishukan Ryu Kempo
  • Kaido Miwa Ryu Kempo
  • Kara-Te (meaning “Chinese Hand”)
  • Kenpo Kai
  • Kenshin Ryu Kempo
Karate
Founded by Hayashi Teruo.
Hayashi Teruo was a follower of Kito Ryu
Systems: iai (tandoku; kumi); kempo (odachi, kodachi, tanto, aikuchi/kaiken); naginata; jo (jo, tanjo); kogusoku (sude; wakizashi)
Date founded: early Edo period (ca. 1615)
Founded by: Mima Yoichizaemon Kagenobu
Present representative/headmaster: Katsuse Yoshimitsu (Kagehiro), 15th headmaster
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[edit] Grappling

Please check out the discussion at talk:grappling#grappling categorization. I'd like to know what you think. Thanks, Bradford44 15:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] thanks ...

for the heads up re user:mate1481, I'll report him & try & undo some of the damage

Thanks agian I've been auto reporting them, but this is the 10th in 2 day it's silly now. --Nate1481(t/c) 08:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Silat stances

Can you help me find the various Silat stances? Angie Y. 01:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New reference

This is Ghostexorcist, I am not currently logged in. Thanks for the reference. I've actually come across the book before. There is a website that sells that set and other books about Chinese culture. I can send you the link if you like. I believe it costs $35.00. However, it might cost more. --70.217.154.252 22:12, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

My mistake. It is $27, but I don't know how much the shipping is. See this site for more details. There is another site that offers the set for $24 plus shipping. --Ghostexorcist 10:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I ordered the set and, unfortunately, the book has little to no historical value at all. They misrepresented it as an illustrated version of the historical Yue Fei Biography, but it is in fact a version of the fictional The Story of Yue Fei. But it is still neat to own a copy of the most famous Wuxia novel about Yue Fei. --Ghostexorcist 21:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] ACCS

Thanks for the input, I will have a hack a bit later but it needed some fresh eyes, to check I wasn't going to far cheers again. --Nate1481( t/c) 12:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Tagging Matt Larsen (badly) would fit right in with my profile of the puppeteer I'm going to review the sources a bit more as I left a question hanging on the talk page about if they mention ACCS. --Nate1481( t/c) 11:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

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