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Contents 1 Education in France 2 Rémy Card 3 Sarkozy 4 A new article and the category 5 Wrocław 6 French people 7 Our small revert war in Talk:French people - Sorry!!! 8 MedBot

[edit] Education in France

I have added several times information about the French educational system, and each time you have systematically removed my contributions. I'm sorry, but I find your actions rather hostile. If you don't believe what I wrote, please provide counterexamples? Omitting things about Muslims and other marginalized populations (what I wrote about) seems like censorship on your part.--rivolad (talk) 19:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rémy Card

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[edit] Sarkozy

Please re-read the family background section of the wikipedia article. In addition, you can check the BBC News article. See Profile: Nicolas Sarkozy . Regards. E104421 14:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Sarkozy is a practicing catholic, no need to add dubious and erroneous informations about his relgion. Med 14:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Additionally the BBC article states he is baptised as roman catholic. The article states his religion, not the religion of his ancestors. Med 14:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, i know. However, according to Jewish tradition, a person whose mother is a Jew is considered a Jew. For example, Karl Marx who was born into a Jewish family and then coverted to Christianity. Later, he turned out to be an atheist, but the article has the cathegories British Jews, German Jews, Jewish philosophers, Atheist philosophers. That's the logic behind the addition of the cathegories you deleted. Regards. E104421 10:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of what bizarre categorisation is used on Karl Marx, the article on Sarkozy is related to a French topic. Sarkozy regards himself as a French national, of Catholic faith, and of irrelevant "race" or whatever.

You should understand that for a French, any tendency to define "Jew" by something else than mere religion brings back memories of the Nazi Occupation, the Vichy regime, and the racist laws of the time. That some Jews share these racist views is not seen as binding.

Furthermore, I deplore that Wikipedia tends to categorise things and people by irrelevant categories. Assuming that you regard them as "Jews" (thus sharing a racist worldview), neither Marx nor Sarkozy are known proeminently for their contribution to the Jewish faith or "race" (assuming it exists). Hence, categorising Marx as "Jew" is not only the sign of a questionable view of the world, it is as meaningless as categorising Queen Elizabeth II in "British photographers" because she used a Leica. Trivia and factoids. Rama 11:17, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

1) he does not consider himself as a jew so the jewish tradition has little to do here 2) wikipedia is not constrained by the jewish tradition 3) your stated point of view is a racist one. Med 11:19, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

No, you totally misunderstood. Your accusations are totally incorrect. I'm an atheist. I'm not a French, i do not know what French people think on this. After reading Karl Marx article on wiki, and the BBC News, i thought the wiki category link is ok. These wiki categories are for all articles. Accusing people with racism without any reason/proof is unacceptable. Starting to any talk with an accusation is just destroying that conversation. You should always follow the line of politeness even to the people you're not agree with. Your accusations are baseless and i consider these as an insult to me and to the other wikipedians who edited the Karl Marx article. Regards. E104421 12:31, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately categorising someone as a jew because one of his ancestors is a jew is etymologically racist. There is no such "jewish race". I have not said that you, as a person, are racist. I just say the point of view that you present (which i am aware of and which is unfortunately relatively widespread in the anglo-saxon world) is racist. Rama has clearly explained why this is seen as such in France. Med 12:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

You should understand that these wiki-categorizations are not intended for racist purposes. These categories is a part of wikipedia just for linking articles to others. If you have any objections to this, apply for deletion of these categories. This is just that simple than accusing me as a racist. You're not reading the sentences carefully. I wrote above as "Jewish tradition", this is not a racist definition. In addition, i'm not categorizing anyone into any classes. Futhermore, it's impossible to understand anyone's pov in a single sentence. Especially in wiki, there are many users who speak English as a second language. You and Rama are at the borders of impoliteliness. Insulting people without any reason is unacceptable not only in wiki but everwhere. Regards. E104421 13:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I do not have any problem in categorising people as jews/catholics/muslims/buddhists/whatever if they claim themselves as such. Sarkozy has never ever claimed to be a jew and he is not. Adding the category to his page is really irrelevant. I do not think neither Rama nor me are insulting in any way. We just explain why Sarkozy should not be categorised as a jew and why abusive categorising is seen as offensive. Med 13:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but the "Jewish tradition" definition of Jew is a racist one. In fact it states the very same thing as "Nazi tradition" -- except that one goes on to say that the Jewish race is the Chosen one, and the other that it must be destroyed. But the premise are the same.

Under the guise of seemingly scientific ("ethnic") or cultural ("Jewish tradition") reasoning, Wikipedia has inherited a collection of categories of a very ambiguous nature. For instance, why do "Afro-American" remain "afro-something" while they have never known Africa ? Neither their fathers, nor their fathers' fathers... At some point their ancestors did come from Africa, but that's true for everybody, over the course of hundreds of millenias. The fact is that "Afro-American" is politically correct for "negro".

"Racist" has an understandably negative connotation, but it is, strictly speaking, orthogonal to Good and Evil. For instance, "positive discrimination" is effectively as racist as Apartheid, even if it's not "evil".

It so happens that the tradition (he he) in France is to completely refuse the mere notion of race. This has led to some misunderstandings between French and US commentators, notably, because what appears to be "racist" to one appears fair to the other, and vice-versa.

In any case, I stand by my ground that putting categories on people about things which have no practical importance in their life is unproductive. Sarkozy is not Jewish because he does not hold the Jewish faith and does not occupy himself with these matters, and Queen Elizabeth II is not a British photographer because she devoted most of her life doing other things than photography. Rama 13:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

• Tradition is not a concept necessarily to be related with nationalities or races. It describes the synthesis of cultural heritage. You're misrepresenting/misinterpreting what i say. It's used in cultural context. I know Sarkozy is a conservative French nationalist, but i'm sure that when he was child, he was told a lullaby by his mother from the Jewish culture. Jews have many famous violin players, cause playing violin is a Jewish tradition. There is a "Category:Jewish classical musicians" and would be very useful for the ones interested in Jewish music or Jewish musicians. This is not racism. I do not know what French people think about all these, but in wikipedia we have policies on categories. There are many biographical articles interlinked by these categorizations. If you have any objection, apply for deletion/modification. I do not know France, too, but accusing anyone as being racist or having the pov of nazi tradition is not accepteble in wikipedia. I recommend you to read Tradition and Straw man articles. I hope you enjoy these. Regards. E104421 14:27, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Sarkozy is not nationalist.

"Jewish musicians" is not racist if it is about a musician specialised in Jewish music, or a musician who professes the Jewish faith and for whom it is important. I would be racist, on the other hand, applied on someone whose only relationship to judaism is a family link to Jewish people. Because it relies on a concept of race. Exactly like it was the case for Srakozy.

And I don't know why you go so ballistic at the idea, it's fairly trivial. Rama 14:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A new article and the category

Hi, Med. I started a new article on Anne Queffélec‎. I hope the categorization does not worry you. Regards. E104421 23:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Why would it? She is known for being a pianist and categorised as such. Med 08:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wrocław

Hi, could you tell me what the phonetic symbol is that you inserted between the t and s in the pronuniciation of this word? It doesn't display on my computer. Thanks,--Kotniski (talk) 19:32, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Common.css defines a font-family list for IPA notations. It seems to be broken so the default font is used instead. Obviously that font doesn't have the tie for t͡s and your browser doesn’t use a fallback font. Two things can be done, fix CSS for everybody, and set a font that has the character as the default one for you only. --moyogo (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 22:24, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello. The symbol is a tie bar. It is what is officially recommended. You can check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet#Affricates_and_double_articulation for more details.

To add a note to Moyogo's explanation, you can try to install DejaVu which contains a bunch of IPA symbols. Med (talk) 22:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to you both for your comments. Will see what I can do with DejaVu.--Kotniski (talk) 13:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] French people

Hello Med. You have shown interest in the French people article at some point, you are now invited to participate in a vote for the French personalities to be included in the French people infobox. Regards - Wikigi | talk to me | 11:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Our small revert war in Talk:French people - Sorry!!!

Hello Med! First of all let me give you my most sincere and humble apologies! I'm not playing any sort of game, I assure you. It was all a big mistake on my part and I am truly sorry if any of my actions or words have offended you. My mistake was that I thought (though I also thought it strange since it did not agree with you contributons' profile) that you were the one changing some other editor's words (in these case from a supposed Italian version of Napoleon's name to a French one) - my mistake was also provoked by the fact that you (why? can't seem to understand) also changed, when you reversed the anon vandal, Dbachmann's talk link from (𒁳) to (��). Again my strongest and enerst apologies! I wrote in French because I got the impression (wrong?) that you were a French speaker. And in fact I didn't even noticed that I was the one that called you a vandal in the first place! There are days everything one does is wrong and today I deffinitely should have stayed in bed! I'm so sorry for the small confusion I unintentionaly caused. I hope no ill will comes between us in the future should we meet again. Thank you for your understanding and calmeness! The Ogre (talk) 19:49, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

P.S.:Wouldn't you be interested in participating in the vote for the French personalities to be included in the French people infobox, as Wikigi already proposed to you? Do come! We need all the informed votes we can get. Thank once again! The Ogre (talk) 19:49, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad you did come and vote. Once again my deepest apologies for my past mistake! The Ogre (talk) 04:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MedBot

Bonjour,

Tu es apparemment opérateur du bot MedBot, lequel n'a plus édité depuis décembre 2006. M'occupant actuellement de la mise à jour de la liste des bots, j'aimerais savoir si ce compte a encore besoin de son flag-bot et le cas échéant si son code est maintenu. Merci d'avance, cordialement, Blinking Spirit (talk) 13:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Merci de cette réponse. J'enlève le flag. Cordialement, Blinking Spirit (talk) 15:02, 23 May 2008 (UTC)