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[edit] Aegeas, Theseus, etc.

There is a problem in the last part of the Medea article. There it is said that Aegeas is father of Medus who is father of Theseus, which is not right. Medus is a brother of Theseus and the hate of Medea against Theseus is due to a conflict for the throne. I would put this version but I do not remember which author supports it. Can someone confirm? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.45.189.230 (talk • contribs) 00:31, 2 January 2005 (UTC)

I can confirm this. Theseus and Medus are, in fact brothers.Firestorm 17:43, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] das mutterrecht

the whole myths-harking-back-to-matriarchy-and-mother-goddesses, etc- the whole "das mutterrecht" thing- is so outdated. Does it really belong here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.251.235.227 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 27 April 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks -

for this marvellous article! Am involved with the preparation of a performance of "Médé" by Milhaud at "Musikhochschule Hamburg" in January/Februery 2006. And this article is a great help. (2005 11 24 10:00 CET)ko

[edit] Disambugation

Somebody should put up a disambugation page for Medea. I came from the Algeria page looking for the province Medea and came across this. The top of the page lists at least 2 other possible entries the page could link to.

Daemon 14:21, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pelias pieces quote

"Excited, the girls cut their father into pieces and threw them into a pot. Pelias did not survive." This seems kind of laconic, and, although amusing, not very encyclopedic. Kranak

for all the statement that we have, where are the authors to back up the evidence? I saw in the discussion that Medea's child Medus is linked as a brother to Theseus, but where is the support to back up such horrendous statement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.103.168.75 (talk • contribs) 19:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Confusing line

"Medea is known in most stories as an enchantress and is often depicted as being a priestess of Hecate. She is the granddaughter of the sun god Helios and a niece of the witch Circe, famous for her encounter with Odysseus in his journey home from the Trojan War."

The last part "famous for her encounter with Odysseus..." is confusing in that the reader doesn't know if its talking about Medea or Circe. I'm going to delete it as I find that it's unnecessary anyway. Beowulf Lee 13:08 (GMT -05:00) Nov/04/2006

[edit] Suggestion

I reckon Medeashould also be put under fictional serial killers, or femmes fatales. You've got to admit, she is an extremely bad girl... CO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.81.33.111 (talk • contribs) 06:58, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another Suggestion

We need to distinguish what happens in different myths.. which will require sourcing the info. For example, in certain tellings, Medea kills her brother during her flight from home, while in others Jason does. Ideally, we would distinguish them by event and source: either by giving a synopsis of each source, or by telling the story overall and noting differences as they come up. CC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.121.40 (talk) 23:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Checking back in here... The article's shaping up, I can see everyone's done a lot since last Fall. This is my thought:

Properly, there is no "story" of Medea. This is part of what's tripping us up. There are many stories of Medea, and the later authors tend to add sequels on to her story. So, we have retellings of the primary story and updates explaining what happened next.

So it's difficult (and not very useful) to try to tell "the story" when we have to keep switching between versions: "in some versions" this, and "in other versions" that... it'd be fine, except there are so many versions and differences.

What I'd like to do is to reorganize the article, so that it gives a quick precis of the different major versions of the story. This would be less interpretive, more accurate, and remove the impression that there is "a" Medea.

I don't want to devote a lot of time to this and then have someone delete it all... so, what do you folks think? CC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.121.40 (talk) 00:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed that the sources for the versions should be distinguished from each other as clear as possible. Preferebly with a mention to the date that each mythographer lived so we can have a more chronological perspective of the story evolving under a series of reinterpratations. Dimadick (talk) 15:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Plagiarism?

Six full paragraphs ("Medea was a devotee ... the country which was later called Media.") were copied verbatim from http://www.pantheon.org/articles/m/medea.html. The text was added by user Mattacampa on April 15, 2007. The page at pantheon.org was written by James Hunter, and last edited April 24, 1999. --74.99.119.107 22:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I justed saw that, too. I'm going to remove it. --Joelmills 13:47, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed improvements

I would like to propose the following improvements to the article.
1. Replace bad link just below the section Jason and Medea to a none existing picture of

"Image:John William Waterhouse, - Jason and Medea (1907).jpg|thumb|left|230px|Jason and Medea by John William Waterhouse (1907)."
Media
Media


to image shown here ------------------------>

"Image:Medea-Sandys.jpg|thumb|left|230px|Media, 1868 painting by Anthony Frederick Augustus Sandys"


2. Revise the Reference section since it now has an "Unreferenced" tag on it calling for references,

[edit] References

[edit] Primary sources

Heroides XII
Metamorphoses VII, 1-450

[edit] Secondary sources

I'll assume if I don't hear any objections until next year, then I will update and put in these improvements. --Doug talk 14:27, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Fixing the link to the image is good, adding primary sources is fine; an article in the Guardian is not a very good source for us when there are hundreds of peer-reviewed sources available. --Akhilleus (talk) 07:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Tend to agree with you on the "Guardian" source, and in fact had taken it out awhile back but it was put back in. In the proposal I then left it in as a Secondary source for whomever wanted to keep it. I'll then make these changes next year and take out the "Guardian" source if there are no further objections.--Doug talk 12:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)